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Anyone gone from mutt to Emacs? was: Re: Moving from Thunderbird to Emac
Anyone gone from mutt to Emacs? was: Re: Moving from Thunderbird to Emacs for mail and calendar
Mon, 12 Oct 2009 02:11:07 +0000 (UTC)
A top-post: Here, someone went from Thunderbird (gui, etc)
to emacs, showing what he had to do to succeed.
(I include it all this once, so if expired for you, is
Question: I use mutt on my isp-shell-account, and like it,
and use .1% of its capability (I think, so powerful is it).
Has anyone switched from mutt to emacs (temporarily or not)?
------- Now "newifying" way-prior post:
In article <address@hidden>,
Dave TÃ¤ht <address@hidden> wrote:
>Jeff Clough <address@hidden> writes:
>> Okay, so I'm seriously considering switching from Thunderbird to Emacs
>> (under Windows XP) for my mail and calendar needs, but I haven't used
>> Emacs for either of these purposes in so long I don't know if it's
>> feasible, nor am I certain which modes are "best". I'm hoping that
>> some of you can point me in the right direction. I'd "just do it" as
>> a test, but I'd rather not go through a crap ton of hassle and
>> problems only to hear later "You should not have used foo mode for
>> that, bar mode is what you want".
>I just switched from Thunderbird to GNUS. It's taken me a month to get
>truly happy with it (about 29 days longer than I wanted to spend) and I
>still have some things left to do, but overall I'm glad I made the
>To this end I made some compromises and changes to my assumptions in
>order to work with how gnus actually worked. Also, my solution is very
>linux specific, and not relevant, really to what you were asking about,
>but I gotta write this up somewhere....
>After fighting with postfix + dovecot, sieve, imap, gnus, and Maildir
>formats for several days, I gave up, and switched to postfix, procmail
>and mbox format, abandoning even the thought of imap.
>I did several unusual things, few of which were GNUS specific, (although
>gnus made me do it because I could not get maildir working) but perhaps
>folks would find these alternatives interesting. I evaluated mh, gnus,
>and mews and settled on gnus as being the closest in mindset for what I
>wanted "(set bugs off (do what I am thinking))"
>1) I adopted IPv6 for my email requirements, coupled with ca-cert
>certificates for authentication. This gives me a static IP address and
>real AAAA record in DNS so I can actually receive mail on my laptop's
>tunnel, wherever I am, via my stably connected secondary mx host, and I
>can send/receive mail directly to anyone running IPv6 on their mailhost
>(I've only seen bsd.org and isc.org have that turned on), or via that
>secondary mx exchanger.
>The certs get rid of sasl which I always thought was a hassle anyway.
>2) Instead of IMAP I am just opening emacs frames on other X displays,
>against my already running emacs session. My server is my laptop, not
>some far off imap server. It's cool to keep all my context - especially
>including org-mode - available anywhere I walk in the house or around
>3) For backups, rsync run out of cron. I'm not entirely convinced this
>is acceptable so I bcc another account on another mail server on sent mail.
>4) For RSS, r2e, which uses rss2email to correctly *text* format most
>RSS feeds. I tried the in-gnus RSS reader, found that it interrupted my
>workflow too much, and dropped it in favor of r2e.
>5) For news, Leafnode. The local nntp cache makes a huge difference in
>speed, and I can read news offline. I liked leafnode so much that I
>subscribed to lkml again via gmane, and the various gnus.* groups.
>6) To get text boxes from the web into emacs and back, mozdev.
>7) For calendar, org-mode. I'm not going to talk about how much more I
>love org mode the more time I spend in emacs. I could go on for pages
>thing to start raving about if I did. I always found things like
>evolution and exchange very lightweight for complex task
>management. Thunderbird did it not at all.
>8) chat - I dropped pidgin and adopted erc + bitlbee. Bitlbee now does
>9) Pastebin on a keystroke from any buffer. Love it.
>As you can tell, I *really* wanted to be able to receive mail directly
>to my laptop again, and handle being offline, just like in the good ole
>days. A lot of the above flowed from that. Writing web pages to parse
>the output of "batch" and multiple clustered commands struck me as more
>work than getting certs and ipv6 tunnels and email to work.
>The net benefit to my life is that I just rid myself of several
>applications and their relevant context switches. I would argue that I
>went from about 10-15% emacs usage per day to about 75%. I'm able to do
>things like customize my keyboard to handle my carpalness (like mapping
>' to return) and not have my default keystrokes break other apps.
>With Emacs' abbrev mode, im turns automatically into I'm, and with
>auto-capitalize mode (which I put a fix in for on the wiki recently) I
>almost never have to hit a shift key again. Big win. You couldn't get me
>to switch back to any other mail client if you paid me.
>I love green on black text everywhere.
>I cleared out a lot of screen space by getting rid of menus, icons,
>scrollbars, fringes and other stuff that get in the way. hide-mode-line
>is cool, too.
>Supercite is great. The gpg integration is great too.
>rss2email has easily put 12 hours a week back into my life that I used
>to spend waiting for blogs to load. I'm spending 4 hours of that on
>netnews, which has been kind of fun in a retro sort of way.
>My mail is as fast now as instant messaging. Switching in or out of mail
>mode takes two keys, a split second, and no thought. There's no "Logging
>into server... checking folders... sending mail..." step at all. For the
>first couple weeks I kept running tail -f /var/log/mail.log just because
>I was scared it wasn't working.
>I tied mail and org mode notifications into a speech synth.
>I can do just about any darn thing I want to with procmail, including
>automagically create mailboxes for any mailing lists I might join. I
>had wished thunderbird would do that for a long time.
>And I can take my mail with me, to the beach, or the park, without having
>to be online, and write voluminous emails like this one.
>My only major open problem is somewhere in my maildir experiments my
>sent mail folder stopped working. :(. I'll figure it out eventually.
>I'm still in a losing fight with how GNUS splits windows on wide displays.
>I still have the more prosaic problem of expiring the mailboxes (like
>messages from cron and nagios) that I want to expire the way I want to
>expire them. I like very much the concept of expiring - or at least,
>automatically archiving, mail, much more than I like the idea of
>continuing to have 20,000+ message mailboxes as I have in gmail. Yes, I
>have read how to do it, but regular expressions scare me. I will try it
>on some smaller test mailboxes first. So far, 2000+ message mbox
>mailboxes have been acceptably fast on the hardware I use.
>mbox format + archival actually makes sense to me, although I will take
>a stab at Maildir again one of these days.