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Re: support for ports in libtool (was: libtool wrapper: mingw32ce does n


From: Bob Friesenhahn
Subject: Re: support for ports in libtool (was: libtool wrapper: mingw32ce does not support errno)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 10:14:22 -0500 (CDT)

Please quote far fewer lines of other people's text. Take a look at how much quoted text you have spammed us with before you wrote even a line of your own. Shame on you!

Bob

On Thu, 16 Oct 2008, Vincent Torri wrote:



On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Ralf Wildenhues wrote:

Hello Vincent, Eric, all,

* Vincent Torri wrote on Thu, Oct 09, 2008 at 03:08:20PM CEST:
On Thu, 9 Oct 2008, Eric Blake wrote:
According to Vincent Torri on 10/9/2008 12:22 AM:
You've gone this far now, how about you try to redo the patch based on
the comment above, then try to write a ChangeLog entry for it, too, and
then we look at it again?  I'm sure you can do it!

done, but seriously, you can do it too...

Ralf is right - the point of open source is that anyone should be able to
scratch their own itch.  We don't have unlimited time, so the more work
you do in scratching your itch, the easier it makes our job to just
include your patch rather than repeat the work for something that is not
scratching our itch.  By encouraging you to submit better patches, we are
trying to empower you, rather than doing it all ourselves.

And you think that I have plenty of time ?

No; well, we cannot know that in advance.  I'm sure all of the parties
involved have far too little time to pursue all goals they have.

We don't expect you to fix things.  Well, maybe we should have asked
you, before incorporating WinCE support:

 Do you have time to support Libtool's port to WinCE?  The work is not
 done with the initial port to this platform.  It needs regular
 re-testing, esp. before releases, to ensure that no regressions have
 crept in.  This may require further efforts to fix them.

 This work need not be done by you.  But it needs to be done by someone
 and this someone must have access to the system in question, and some
 experience with it, too.  If we cannot find any volunteer, then we
 unfortunately cannot support the port.

I can just promise to support libtool's port to Windows CE during the time I port the libs on that platform. It can be some months, maybe a year. But once it works correctly with these libs, i don't think that libtool will need modifications on Windows CE. As I'm the maintainer of these libs on Windows CE (for now), if libtool has big changes later, I'll certainly at least report problems.

But it won't be more. I'm a libtool user, I don't want to become a libtool developper, I have no time for that.

We have so far not asked such questions, because typically, new ports in
Libtool were rather low-maintenance (with the notable exception of ports
that carry "win" in its name).  Maybe it is time to change that policy.

And certainly I too would like to see more of the issues you noted being
addressed.  We are grateful for the porting work you have done already,
and would love to see more of it.

But the fact is, doing these things take work, time, and thought, and
review does, too.  The current support for MS platforms has become
sufficiently non-modular that changes are likely to introduce
regressions on untested other MS systems.  That is a dangerous path to
follow.

Is there any plan to make libtool more modular (for windows or not) ?

But I think that it can be usefull for other people too to have support
of the mingw32ce compiler in libtool.

Yes.  And we're really on the same page here.  It's just that we cannot
know in advance how much time and effort you are able or willing to
spend, which is why I asked about it.  No bad feelings if you can't
provide more, but it would be a good opportunity to get someone else
into the game if you do have time.

I can just report problems and, if i can, try to provide a patch. I'm completely lost when I see the ltmain.sh script. So writing a patch takes a long time for me (i have to first understand what libtool does before...)

regards

Vincent Torri



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Bob Friesenhahn
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GraphicsMagick Maintainer,    http://www.GraphicsMagick.org/





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