Re: [Lily4jedit-devel] [Fwd: easier LilyPond tutorial?]

[Joshua KooOOoOOo]

Hi,

We do not have a lilytool tutorial yet, do we?  I think a lilytool tutorial 
will make a easier LilyPond tutorial (I'm thinking of Wiki) ;) 

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>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject:       easier LilyPond tutorial?
>Date:  Sat, 5 Mar 2005 17:46:09 +0100
>From:  Han-Wen Nienhuys <address@hidden>
>To:    address@hidden
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>[please forward to appropriate editor development lists]
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>Hi there!
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>I have a question for the lily4jEdit developers.
>
>Yesterday Jan & I discussed how we could lower the barrier to start
>using LilyPond. One the things we discussed was a better way to start
>using LilyPond. Right now, this involves a newbie user
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> * having to read the tutorial
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> * learning the concept of text-editor, and learning to use it.
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> * learning the concept of command-line, and learning to use it.
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> * learning about debug-edit-compile
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>For a typical mac/windows user this is a rough introduction.  We were
>wondering whether it was possible to provide something similar to the
>Emacs tutorial, where a user is really taken by the hand learning
>LilyPond.

Its pretty shameful I havnt tried (or remembered) using emacs.
Is this the tutorial? 
http://www.lib.uchicago.edu/keith/tcl-course/emacs-tutorial.html
I'll try out using emacs on my coLinux machine when I'm free.

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>Our idea is to have a text-file, which looks like
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>       This is the lilypond tutorial. Here is a simple fragment of LilyPond
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>          { c'4 d'8 }

Erm... this looks like the lilypond 2.5 syntax. I havnt tried that in LilyTool 
yet.

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>       To compile this fragment,
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>       - Use the mouse to hover over the fragment,
>       - Click the right-mouse button
>       - Select "compile music fragment" from the context menu


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>the text file would be edited in a special mode that detects indented
>sections of the text, and adds the appropriate context-menu entry. The
What's a context-menu entry?

>"compile music fragment" would run LilyPond, kill any old PDF viewer,
>and start a new viewer.  Of course, users are encouraged to edit the
>indented sections on their own, to experiment a bit. We could even
>insert some excercises.
Hmm, "compile music fragment" could be a new feature. 
Well, user have to Right click and select Customise right click menu and add a 
macro/action before using the rightclick feature in jEdit first, i think.
Either way, this can be achieve using the lilytool menu.
I suppose, when this action is called, text in braces are copied, either to a 
temp.ly or autogen.ly, followed by a call to lilypond-win or, another macro 
which calls "lilypond", then "pdf &" in lilytool (will "kill" work for acrobat 
in cygwin)?

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>In this way, editing & compiling .ly code is tightly integrated with
>the tutorial, and a newbie isn't overwhelmed by all the new bits at
>the same time.
Hmm... do you mean you want the tutorial displayed in jEdit? compiling ly in 
jEdit wouldnt be a problem, but I'll think how you want to format your tutorial 
to look like in jEdit.

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>Of course, the same trick might be applicable to Gedit or Emacs, and
>the technical implementation might be optimized. Perhaps it's easier
>to mark .ly sections with a special marker which is hidden during
>display.
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>How does this idea sound? Any one willing to take on this task?
Hmm, this idea sounds more like a presentation. I would think video or flash 
might serve the same perpose. 
Or maybe I really havnt catch the gish of the idea. But i think programming the 
 "compile music fragment" wouldnt be hard for me. 

Joshua

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