Re: state of the release: the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

[Graham Percival]

On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 08:37:26AM +0200, David Kastrup wrote:
> Graham Percival <address@hidden> writes:
> 
> > It's his responsibility because he's in charge of the Frogs
> > project.  Or rather: it's his responsibility because I thought we
> > needed somebody to do this job, and I managed to convince him to
> > do it.
> 
> If the job description includes committing stuff on your own
> responsibility that you are not comfortable with, like stuff changing
> the parser substantially (or whatever else), then the respective
> definitions do not seem to fit the task space well.

No -- it's his responsibility to pester other developers on behalf
of the patch+contributor, until there's "enough" developers who
have agreed with the patch.  He can determine what consistutes
"enough".

I readily admit that this is a rather tall order, but Carl's done
a fantastic job of it over the past year and a half.  I'm sure
that he would appreciate more help.

> So I think that either the definition of a frog (namely if I fit it) or
> the responsibilities of the frog master (if it means being responsible
> for the committing of any patches originating from a frog) need to be
> thought over.  But it does not seem that the current responsibility
> defaults lead to results many people are happy with.

The situation for Frogs isn't any worse than the situation for
normal developers.  Both groups have patches -- sometimes clear,
fairly obviously-ok patches like 1095 -- languishing in oblivion
for weeks.

I think the situation for Frogs will improve when the general
situation improves, so I'm not worried about them.  Let's focus on
improving the general situation by getting more patch-reviewing.


Oh, and huge discussions like this are the *opposite* of
patch-reviewing.  I mean, reviewing 1095 is on my TODO list, but
right now I'm writing this email instead of working on that.  We
need a balance between discussion about patches vs. discussions
about development.

Cheers,
- Graham