Re: follow-up to report 22

[Carl Sorensen]

On 11/5/10 8:15 AM, "Valentin Villenave" <address@hidden> wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Carl Sorensen <address@hidden> wrote:
>> Great!  Let's move on, OK?  If Valentin wants to patch the documentation,
>> then he can propose a patch.  The same applies to anyone else who wants to
>> propose a patch.
> I have no doubt that you mean well Carl, but in turn I hope that you
> can also understand how the way you've just responded actually does
> little to alleviate the feeling of disrespect and condescension I've
> been trying to describe.
> 
> -- Which is also why, by the way, I did bring things out in the open
> instead of just suggesting a patch or sending an email to -devel
> (which you or Graham, both members of -hackers, understandably feel
> more comfortable with). I have yet to see concrete signs of good faith
> and trustworthiness in the way my concerns are (or aren't) addressed
> (assuming these are just *my* concerns, which I would also like to
> determine).

As far as I know, I'm not a member of -hackers.  I get a not-found error
whenever I click on any of the links.

I don't have any emails from -hackers in my inbox or saved mails.  I don't
have -hackers in my Contacts list.  So I'm not part of the in-crowd in this
discussion.

I'm sorry that my response was disturbing to you.  I was not trying to be
disrespectful or condescending.  I certainly did not intend my response
to expand or continue negative feelings.

I'm trying to recognize this issue as a real issue, but one that would be
better discussed at a specific time in the future.

> 
> I have accepted the idea that this conversation had to start over
> since Graham transported it on -devel (although the website is
> perfectly accessible, and a number of other people have posted
> commented without any difficulty). However, I somehow hope not to have
> to repeat myself again and again: in case anyone missed it, my former
> mail is to be found on
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-devel/2010-11/msg00080.html

I have reread that email.  It asks for a lot of work to be done relative to
the -hackers list.  But the hope is to figure out what the hackers list is
and how we use it formally in the GOP, after 2.14 is out, instead of right
now.

In order to try to avoid derailing the imminent beta release candidate for
2.14, I'd propose a patch like the following:

--- a/Documentation/web/community.itexi
+++ b/Documentation/web/community.itexi
@@ -260,6 +260,15 @@ archive3}
 @warning{Before sending a message to the bug list, please read our
 guidelines for @ref{Bug reports}.}
 
address@hidden Administration mailing list: @address@hidden
+
+Private discussion about project administration is intended to
+take place here.
+
+This list is essentially dormant.  Specifics of its members and usage
+will be determined in the Grand Organization Project once
+version 2.14 is released.
+
 @divEnd



Would such a patch be helpful?

Thanks,

Carl