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Re: list of policy questions added to Contributor's Guide


From: Graham Percival
Subject: Re: list of policy questions added to Contributor's Guide
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 13:06:32 +0000

On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Valentin Villenave
<address@hidden> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Graham Percival
> <address@hidden> wrote:
>> The neutral outcome is our policies -- there was no change there.
>> Looking back at the infamous 18 Sep email:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/address@hidden/msg30917.html
>> - "The list of members of this group will be public."
>> - "this list hasn't been used for a few years,"
>> - "I'm currently in the process of finding out who's on it,"
>
> Oh, I didn't remember that part. You mean, *even you* have no idea
> who's on it? Well, that's reassuring.

Perhaps there's a language problem here.  I've asked google translate
to handle lines 34-46 of that quoted email.

- certaines questions (en général "devrait personne X accéder git push?")
sera discuté en privé par les développeurs sur les hauts
lilypond-hackers liste de diffusion.
Ce n'est rien d'inhabituel dans le monde open-source, elle suivra
le motif de la subversion et le secteur privé, le noyau FreeBSD, debian-privé,
etc. La liste des membres de ce groupe sera public.
(Cette liste n'a pas été utilisé pendant quelques années, et je suis
actuellement dans le processus de découvrir qui est sur elle, et en
ajoutant de nouvelles personnes qui devrait être là - ne vous
inquiétez pas si vous n'avez pas été contacté encore mais je pense que
vous devriez être sur cette liste)
[maybe the final "je" should be "tu"?  I'm not certain about that]

- commence rien tant que 2.14 est à
[that one doesn't make sense... shouldn't it be "rien va commencé
jus'que 2.14 est sortir" ?]


> ... If anything, this helps me make my point that -hackers is a thing
> from the past:

As in "Cette liste n'a pas été utilisé pendant quelques année" ?

> you should have been appointed as administrator or
> moderator of this list long ago.

As in " je suis actuellement dans le processus de découvrir qui est
sur elle, et en ajoutant de nouvelles personnes qui devrait être là" ?


>> The negative outcome is our time, energy, and motivation.  The
>
> If that's the amount of time needed so that we can work better
> together in the long run, so be it. That being said, apart from you,
> Carl and Joe I'm not sure that this whole thing has taken that much
> developer time.

... other than the *three people* who are doing the most work towards
fixing release-Critical bugs, it hasn't taken that much time?
(apologies to Neil; maybe I should have written "3 of the 4 people")

Is that supposed to be a _good_ thing?


> Considering what happened to your own announcement, and to Xavier's
> email... I'm not so sure about that. If anything, this stunt of mine
> made the problem at hand slightly harder to ignore.

This stunt of yours has postponed 2.14 for at least a week, and
eliminated my energy and motivation to work on lilypond.  The only
reason I'm doing anything is that I've announced "10 hours a week" so
many times that I have some kind of misplaced sense of duty towards
continuing that.  And since I was already working on _exactly_ what
you wanted -- getting 2.14 out, organizing and making public
information about the -hackers list, etc -- I think that your stunt
was a *very* poor trade.

- Graham



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