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Re: A few remarks concerning \relative

From: David Kastrup
Subject: Re: A few remarks concerning \relative
Date: Sun, 11 Sep 2011 22:39:02 +0200
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Janek Warchoł <address@hidden> writes:

> 2011/9/11 David Kastrup <address@hidden>:
>> Let me suggest
>> <URL:>
>> as one data point supporting my contention that \relative f and its
>> relatives might be worth mentioning in the manual.
>> "\relative f
>> will use whatever note starts that group as the \relative note
>> (think about it!)."
> Magnificent!  I didn't realize what you were saying at the beginning,
> but now i see and i'm stunned!

It is more likely that you only saw what I was saying at the beginning,
but now you realized what I was actually thinking.

The quoted sentence is definitely and quite embarrassingly utter

"\relative f will interpret whatever note starts that group as if it
were specified as an absolute pitch." would be what I meant.  The
"\relative note", of course, is nothing but f if you specify "\relative

> A "ransparent" relative!  It's definately worth mentioning in the
> docs.  As for the original question - whether we should encourage
> \relative f* instead of \relative c* - i'm not sure.  \relative f is
> indeed very smart and perhaps more fool-proof (i admit making mistakes
> with \relative c' - mainly when i want pitch b or b' to appear).  It's
> only drawback is that it requires some thinking at the beginning; i'm
> not opposed to thinking, but Lily is already very hard for beginners
> :(

It requires thinking if you have not yet come across it.  If the
documentation (tutorial _and_ notation) mentions it prominently, it
should be idiomatic enough.  I would have considered it a better default
for \relative { ... } as well, but that's water down the old drawbridge.

David Kastrup

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