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Re: transpose, transposition, and relative

From: Graham King
Subject: Re: transpose, transposition, and relative
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 18:04:50 +0000

Try specifying transposition before relative.  The following (not quite
minimal) example works for me:

TptOne = \relative c''{
  \key c \major  % Needed here, or the part in Bb gets no key signature.
  % notes .....
\context Staff {
    % \transpose must be outside \relative
    % - see\
    %       user/out-www/lilypond/Transpose.html#Transpose
    <<{\transpose bes c' \TptOne} \markings>>

On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 13:56, address@hidden wrote:
> Something seems wrong here ... I'm trying to enter a part for Trombone in 
> treble clef (ie in B flat).
> Reading the manual, section 5.15.6 says "transpose" and "relative" don't work 
> well together, but this doesn't make sense! "transpose" converts the pitch of 
> music as it is *output*, while "relative" affects the pitch of music as it is 
> *input*. Plus, I've been using both of these and the only problems I've 
> noticed have been down to the idiot at the keyboard :-)
> But I'm now trying to use "transposition" to *enter* music, and as far as I 
> can tell it is simply being ignored. To give an example fragment ...
> \version "2.4.0"
> voiceTromboneI = \relative c' {
>    \transposition bf
>    bf2\ff bf | df df | c df | ef1 | bf2 bf | df df | c df | ef1 |
> }
> Whether the transposition directive is there or not seems to make no 
> difference whatsoever to the music output. It should be shifting it by a 
> tone. (By the way, I'm outputting on paper, not midi.)
> Or should the "Bugs" thing in the manual have said that "relative" and 
> "transposition" are incompatible - in which case it's a real pain in the neck 
> because I've either got to enter all the notes in absolute pitch with the 
> right number of 's and ,s, or I've got to transpose it to concert in my head 
> before I enter it! If this is a bug, can we class it as serious?
> Cheers,
> Wol
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