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Re: transpose, transposition, and relative


From: Graham King
Subject: Re: transpose, transposition, and relative
Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2005 22:44:11 +0000

My apologies; I replied in haste.  The original question was about
\transposition and my reply was about \transpose.  (The difference being
that my notes are entered at concert (sounding) pitch, and \transpose is
then used to produce a transposing part.)

Wol's follow-up at 10:18 GMT introduces a clef problem.  For what it's
worth, my \clef declaration is within the voice stanza, as re-instated
below:


On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 18:04, Graham King wrote:
> Try specifying transposition before relative.  The following (not quite
> minimal) example works for me:
> 
> TptOne = \relative c''{
>   \key c \major  % Needed here, or the part in Bb gets no key signature.
    \clef treble
>   % notes .....
> }
>         
> \context Staff {
>     % \transpose must be outside \relative
>     % - see http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.4/Documentation/\
>     %       user/out-www/lilypond/Transpose.html#Transpose
>     <<{\transpose bes c' \TptOne} \markings>>
> }
> 
> On Wed, 2005-02-02 at 13:56, address@hidden wrote:
> > Something seems wrong here ... I'm trying to enter a part for Trombone in 
> > treble clef (ie in B flat).
> > 
> > Reading the manual, section 5.15.6 says "transpose" and "relative" don't 
> > work well together, but this doesn't make sense! "transpose" converts the 
> > pitch of music as it is *output*, while "relative" affects the pitch of 
> > music as it is *input*. Plus, I've been using both of these and the only 
> > problems I've noticed have been down to the idiot at the keyboard :-)
> > 
> > But I'm now trying to use "transposition" to *enter* music, and as far as I 
> > can tell it is simply being ignored. To give an example fragment ...
> > 
> > \version "2.4.0"
> > voiceTromboneI = \relative c' {
> >    \transposition bf
> >    bf2\ff bf | df df | c df | ef1 | bf2 bf | df df | c df | ef1 |
> > }
> > 
> > Whether the transposition directive is there or not seems to make no 
> > difference whatsoever to the music output. It should be shifting it by a 
> > tone. (By the way, I'm outputting on paper, not midi.)
> > 
> > Or should the "Bugs" thing in the manual have said that "relative" and 
> > "transposition" are incompatible - in which case it's a real pain in the 
> > neck because I've either got to enter all the notes in absolute pitch with 
> > the right number of 's and ,s, or I've got to transpose it to concert in my 
> > head before I enter it! If this is a bug, can we class it as serious?
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Wol
> > 
> > 
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