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Re: Lyrics, ties, extenders and hyphens

From: Mats Bengtsson
Subject: Re: Lyrics, ties, extenders and hyphens
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 10:17:52 +0200
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I have now checked an authoritative book ("Noter" by Börje Tyboni,
unfortunately only available in Swedish). It turns out that you
can have extender lines also for tied over notes, not only for
melismas. The rule is rather that you should only use an extender line
if there is a wide space to the next syllable.
My answers for 2) and 3) seem correct, though.


Mats Bengtsson wrote:
I don't have any book on music typesetting practice available
in front of me right now, but will try some advanced guesses

Neil Killeen wrote:


1) what is the correct thing to do with a lyric and a tie ?
   Should one use an extender like with a melisma ?  Thus

   a~ a
   Fish __

  Lilypond seems tolerant if I don't add the extender

  a~ a

I would only use extender lines for melismas, not for ties.

2) Also, I am finding extenders and hyphens get mixed up if I do extend ties.


   a1~ | a1  | es1~ | es1
   Moun __ -- tains

  What I see after type setting is something like

    /--------------\             /-----------\
    o              o           o            o
_ _ <- First hyphen overlaps with extender
   Moun______           tains_____

I think it's normal to only use hyphens in such a situation and no extender lines.

3) Finally, on a matter of style of lyrics and punctuation. Is it good style to
   see punctuation (e.g. a full stop or comma) before an extender ?

   a~ a
   Fish. __

   If not, what should one do ?   Leave out the punctuation or try and
   poke it in after the extender somehow ?

The punctuation before the extender seems reasonable.


        Mats Bengtsson
        Signal Processing
        Signals, Sensors and Systems
        Royal Institute of Technology
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