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Re: al niente / de niente - was Re: (no subject)

From: andrea valle
Subject: Re: al niente / de niente - was Re: (no subject)
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 23:40:28 +0100

(in Italian it is not "de niente" but "dal niente")

On 16 Mar 2006, at 23:27, Trevor Bača wrote:

On 3/16/06, Marcus Macauley <address@hidden> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Mar 2006 09:29:43 -0800, Trevor Bača"" <address@hidden>

On 3/16/06, Arno Waschk <address@hidden> wrote:
dear list,

for a contemporary music score i need hairpin having a circles around
their tip, indicating cresc./descresc. from/into silence.

what is the easiest way to enter these into the score? or does this need
to be implemented yet? i did not find that mentioned in the docs.

I'm interested in this kind of 'al niente' / 'de niente' thing, too,
but haven't had a chance to figure out the right settings yet.

If it turns out to be difficult to do currently, maybe we could
sponsor together once the 2.9 dev cycle starts.

Another way of notating this, which I prefer, but also I think needs to be
implemented, is to follow the decresc. (or precede the cresc.) with a
bold/italic "n" or "n.", for niente.

Does #(make-dynamic-script "n.") not help? (As in the examples in 8.1.8?)

At least one music font/notation program, I forget which, includes for
this purpose a letter "n" in the same style as mrsfp for dynamics. So
perhaps the ideal way to implement this latter kind of niente notation
(the hairpin circle tip being the other kind) would be to create a new
dynamic mark, called "n", and syntax analogous to the other dynamics, thus:

c2~\> c~ c r\n

...would do a hairpin decresc. to niente, with the "n" marked under the rest (and, like any other dynamic mark, signalling an end of the hairpin).

Perhaps, then, there could be a setting which would decide whether that
syntax prints a dynamic letter "n" on the one hand, or modifies the
hairpin with a circle at the tip, on the other hand.

Then one could switch globally between the two methods of notating niente
without rewriting each instance.

The syntax for a cresc. from silence would have to be a little less
elegant, though maybe simply:

c2~\n\< c~ c\! r

And for consistency, the first example could be modified to:

c2~\> c~ c r\!\n

...explicitly ending the descrescendo.

I don't know whether this sort of syntax is practical; it's just the first
thing that comes to mind.

Maybe more practical is 1) a setting to switch on/off circles at the point
of a hairpin, for the first method of notation, and 2) a new dynamic
letter, "n" (and command "\n"), for the second method.

As an alternative to the second method -- and a perhaps more conventional
one, recommended by Kurt Stone -- niente can be notated not with the
dynamic letter "n" but with the italic "n." (this time with a period).

I've also used a dynamic-font "s" for this purpose (abbr. "silence")
in Finale, but eventually backed away from the notation because it
just seemed too English-centered and too similar to "s" for "subito"
in other contexts.

This should be possible to do now, but I can't figure out how to switch
off the boldface:

n = #(make-dynamic-script (markup #:text #:italic "n." ) ) % This makes
the text bold-italic.

n = #(make-dynamic-script (markup #:text "n." ) ) % In fact, even this
makes it bold-italic, as if that's the default text font style. Why? And
how to switch it off?

(I'm using make-dynamic-script, rather than a regular \markup command,
because the "n." needs to be aligned with the hairpin.)

Thanks in advance for any feedback on the "niente" implementation/syntax (I too might be willing to co-sponsor it) and/or on this latter problem of
bold-italic text.


Trevor Bača
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Andrea Valle
DAMS - Facoltà di Scienze della Formazione
Università degli Studi di Torino

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