RE: Lyrics problem ... Bug? Feature? ???

[Anthony Youngman]

Thanks. 

I'll play with all this and see where I get. I thought what I was doing
WAS simple :-( I'll also try the {} you mention in your other email.

And I'll download and read the 2.9 docu at some point. Although I get
the impression it might not be a good idea to upgrade for a while ...

Cheers,
Wol

-----Original Message-----
From: Mats Bengtsson [mailto:address@hidden 
Sent: 12 June 2006 13:25
To: Anthony Youngman
Cc: address@hidden; address@hidden
Subject: Re: Lyrics problem ... Bug? Feature? ???



Anthony Youngman wrote:

>I've changed my approach - I felt all along that the rests were what
was
>screwing things up. (Which means, I think, that if I copy your example
>exactly as you've given it, it'll be just as big a mess as before. But
>I'll try your approach in a minute - I'm still going to send this email
>because I do think there's something fundamentally wrong under this
>somewhere...)
>
>Unfortunately, I've just swapped one error for another. I've redefined
>pennsylvania as 
>
>pennsylvania = { r2_\markup{ shout }
>       { \override NoteHead #'style = #'cross f8. f16 f8. f16 f4 f f8.
>f16 }
>       \addlyrics { Penn syl van ia six five thous and }
>       r4 }
>
>which has had several effects. I no longer need to reset the notehead
>style. 
>
What you said here made me completely confused, so I had to take a look
at
the implementation and learned something new. The construct
music_expression \addlyrics lyrics
will create a new Voice context for the music_expression.

>lilypond no longer complains about getting its timing in a twist.
>It is now complaining about trying to put noteheads and stems on a rest
>(the r4 - and yes I did try reverting the notehead style - no effect
>whatsoever). And because I've got two consecutive occurrences on the
>same line, it's making the two lots of text avoid each other, which
>looks daft.
>
The timing gets lost already at the end of the prima volta. I have no
idea
on what's going on here. Replacing
music_expression \addlyrics lyrics
by
\new Voice music_expression
in your example works well, so there's something more going on here that
I don't understand fully.

Still, my impression is that \addlyrics mainly was implemented to
support
extremely simple situations where your score in principle only has a
melody
and one or more lines of lyrics. What makes your example extra
complicated
is that you want to insert the same construct at a number of places in
the
score.

In a way, maybe the simplest solution for you is to do
pennsylvania = { r2_\markup{ shout }
  <<
    \new Voice { \override NoteHead #'style = #'cross f8. f16 f8. f16 f4

f f8. f16 }
    \context Lyrics = pennsylvanialyrics \lyricmode{ Penn8. syl16 van8. 
ia16 six4 five4 thous8. and16 }
  >>
  r4 }
Unfortunately, it means that you have to specify the durations of the 
syllables
explicictly. Also,  the second set of lyrics gets  typeset one line too 
low. I will
write a separate bug report about that issue.

>Graham - I'll have to write something for the docs (I'm working from
>2.8.0) because there appears to be no examples at all about how to
embed
>a lyric fragment in a larger piece. 
>
Sure there is! In the latest manual for version 2.9, you can find two 
examples
in section "7.3.7.2 Divisi lyrics" and I know that Eduardo has sent a
draft
of even more documentation to Graham, with related information.


    /Mats



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