RE: Can't set next-padding - it's ignoring me

[Anthony Youngman]

Okay, it's now doing what I want. Adding "between-system-padding" fixed
it and reduced "next-padding".

So I'm satisfied - it's working how I want. But it's still left me
puzzled as to exactly what's going on ... why doesn't lily recognise
\outputProperty? why can't I control next-padding directly?
ragged-bottom seems to have no effect. between-system-padding seems not
to be displayed by annotate-spacing (although that could be the overlay
effect I mentioned).

Oh well. I'll investigate further if and when I need to.

Cheers,
Wol

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In message <address@hidden>, Nicolas Sceaux 
<address@hidden> writes
>"Anthony W. Youngman" <address@hidden> writes:
>
>> Actually, looking at 11.3.4, is it possible that it could be
>> \overrideProperty, not \outputProperty?
>
>Right.
>\overrideProperty is a music function, and thus cannot be used in
>\layout or \paper blocks. Use it in your music.

But the example (and what I used) says *OUTPUT*Property. Which lilypond 
has objected to as "unrecognised" wherever I tried to use it!

So one of my questions (which you have ignored...) was "is *output* a 
mistake?". In which case, there's a bug somewhere, because the 
documentation and the program are out of sync.

The point is, if I follow the instructions in the manual to try and 
change next-padding, lily won't compile my .ly file and blows up with an

error.
>
>>>http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.9/Documentation/user/lilypond/Vertical-spa
cin
>>>g-between-systems.html
>>>
>>>The paper property to tune are between-system-padding and
>>>between-system-space.
>>
>> I haven't got the output in front of me, but with "annotate-spacing =
>> ##t" it tells me that next-padding is 2.8, and I wanted to change it
>> ...
>
>There's something not quite intuitive about padding and space lengths.
It
>seems that both are not expressed in the same unit, so when you specify
>padding=5 it actually shows 2.8. Space lengths show as expected.
>
>>>\paper {
>>>  between-system-padding = 5
>>>  between-system-space = 0.1
>>>  annotate-spacing = ##t
>>>  ragged-bottom=##t
>>>}
>>
>> I'll try that, but I've probably done that already (as I say, I don't
>> have it in front of me :-( I'll let you know what happens, but I've
>> probably already set both of those to 0 ... if I haven't, it's
because
>> of the following ...
>
>Please try the example before saying that it does not work. And play
>with it by using different values, to figure out how the spacing of
>systems works it ragged condition.

I didn't say it doesn't work! I said "I think I've already done that, 
and it behaved as expected"!

And I MAY try it, as soon as I get back to the computer with my work on.

I said *MAY* because I don't see how I can *try* to do something that 
I'm already doing ...
>
>BTW, setting space to 0 may not be a good idea, as I seem to recall
that
>space is used as a denominator somewhere in the spacing algo.
>
>> NB - whoever coded annotate-spacing - is it possible to code it so
the
>> information doesn't clash? Most of it is illegible because it one bit
>> of information opaquely overprints another bit with the result that
>> maybe 80% is whited out :-(
>
>This is possible, but as with all bug reports, an example showing the
>problem is somewhat required to fix it. And you didn't mention what
>version you're using. (The look of annotations changed during 2.9)

Ah. I'm running 2.8.4. I can email you a pdf on monday if you like.
>
>nicolas

Cheers,
Wol
-- 
Anthony W. Youngman - wol at thewolery dot demon dot co dot uk
HEX wondered how much he should tell the Wizards. He felt it would not
be a
good idea to burden them with too much input. Hex always thought of his
reports
as Lies-to-People.
The Science of Discworld : (c) Terry Pratchett 1999


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