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Re: tuplets (was: GDP for kids :)

From: Trevor Bača
Subject: Re: tuplets (was: GDP for kids :)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:06:30 -0500

On 9/19/07, fiëé visuëlle <address@hidden> wrote:
> Am 2007-09-17 um 17:00 schrieb Valentin Villenave:
> > Trevor: there can be *no* name for such hideous rhythms... :)
> > We may use "rythmes irrationnels" (one "h", two "n"s), or
> > "monnayages", but generally speaking the terms we use for such
> > *things* are so rude I can't consider posting any of them here... even
> > in French ;)


> In German the word is "Tupel" vs. "Duole", "Triole", "Pentole" etc.
> I never really heard "Tupel" in musical context, only mathemathically.
> My musical lexicon doesn't know it - but my favourite online
> dictionary doesn't know "tuplet" either.

Yeah, I may be spreading unsubstantiated rumours here, but the term
seems definitely to have shown up first in English (rather than FR or
DE) and I *think* it actually originated in an early version of the
Finale user manual (God help us). I've never been able to verify this
last bit, but, if true, it would at least explain why the word doesn't
seem to exist in any EN dictionaries yet.

Henning, is das (?) Tupel the same word that gets used in math to talk
about ordered collections of  stuff like (17, 18, 29)? EN has "tuple"
for such things ... and "tuplet" (with the final t) seems to be a
completely novel musical term backformed from triplet, quadruplet,
quintuplet, [s|h]extuplet, etc. Maybe DE has to make due with only one
form of the word? Or possibly you guys could borrow in "Tuplet"? Or
perhaps that simply looks absurd ...

Trevor Bača

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