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Re: my articles and astroturfng LWN

From: Graham Percival
Subject: Re: my articles and astroturfng LWN
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 23:27:55 +0800
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I really don't see anything in the comments that we need to be
worried about.  I mean, do you think that Microsoft programmers
freak out when they read (-1, troll) comments on slashdot?  If
there were intelligent, well-argued comments on LWN dissing
lilypond, I might care, but I haven't seen any yet.

As for LilyPond vs. Sibelius: if we do it, we should do it
objectively.  One thing we might do in the new website is to have
examples of notation from the latest software (lilypond stable,
finale 20XY, sibelius 20AB, etc) and point out flaws in the
default output.  We could then point out the ease (or not!) of
fixing said problems.

However, this section would need to be planned quite carefully.
First, we need to be fair in the assessments.  Second, it needs to
be easy to update as new software becomes available.  Third, we
need volunteers with access to the latest software.

Andrew Hawryluk: yes, I know.  :)

- Graham

On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 04:21:32PM +0200, Mats Bengtsson wrote:
> There's been quite some bashing on Sibelius from the LilyPond side as  
> well, so we should probably not complain too much. I think we can agree  
> that both LilyPond and Sibelius are among the better options when it  
> comes to typesetting quality, right?
>     /Mats
> Valentin Villenave wrote:
>> 2009/4/3 Dave Phillips <address@hidden>:
>>> If your objection to LWN is re: someone else's comment on my articles, then
>>> that's fine with me. But if anyone has a problem with my articles per se I'd
>>> prefer they take it up with me, not with my publishers.
>> Not at all. It's just some comments that (by design, I think) lead us to 
>> react.
>> On a personal note: a few months ago I was working on my opera with my
>> laptop at a parent/teachers reunion with my colleagues, and then a man
>> stops by and goes "oh, you're copying music, that's nice; what
>> software are you using?"
>> Obviously, I immediately go astroturfing-mode, "This is the finest
>> piece of software you'll ever meet, it is a free software called
>> LilyPond and..."
>> Him: "I do know LilyPond".
>> Me: "Oh. Great, then!"
>> Him: "... And I don't like it."
>> Me: "Oh. Why is that? You know it must be the finest piece of..."
>> Him: "Nah, it's just crap. That's all."
>> Me: "But, do you know how many things you can achieve with LilyPond?
>> It has more features than..."
>> Him: "Nothing any decent software can't do. LilyPond just makes it harder."
>> Me: "But the quality of its output is..."
>> Him: "No, it's just plain shit. Listen, I understand you're making a
>> big score; you have to use a /real/ music software. Why don't you come
>> next Saturday, I'll show you some stuff?"
>> Me: "??? What is there on Saturday?"
>> Him: "It's the Sibelius Demonstration Day, at Steinberg France."
>> Me: "..."
>> Him: "... I work there."
>> What's the phrase already? First they ignore you...
>> Regards,
>> Valentin
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