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Re: Need some help with \include "makam.ly"


From: Jay Hamilton
Subject: Re: Need some help with \include "makam.ly"
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:07:56 -0700

I just ran a file with each accidental on a single note.
The compile result did not show a difference between 
cfi and cfu
even though makam.ly says there is a difference - so is there one? Or is this more of a midi thing?
Jay

On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Joseph Wakeling <address@hidden> wrote:
Trevor Daniels wrote:
>
> Graham Percival wrote Monday, August 17, 2009 11:30 AM
>
>
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 12:07:44PM +0100, Joseph Wakeling wrote:
>>> Neil Puttock wrote:
>>> > Can you suggest any improvements for this snippet's >
>>> documentation?  It
>>> > does already mention where the pitch names are defined >
>>> (ly/makam.ly).
>>>
>>> An actual link to LM section 4.6.3 would help.  Also, the details of the
>>> location of the ly/ folder are not correct.  It gives the location as
>>> being,
>>>
>>> INSTALLDIR/lilypond/usr/share/lilypond/current/
>
> Yes, but that is under the section headed
> "Downloaded from lilypond.org" ...

Oh boy, I was clearly having a great day yesterday ... 'Reading only the
first half of everything' syndrome, both the LM section _and_ Graham's
message discussing adding to the docs.

Anyway, it seems that his suggestion must have got through on a
subliminal level at least, hence my weird follow up email talking about
expanding the Makam snippet into a NR section.

>>> I know the snippet documentation is meant to be brief but why not add a
>>> note-name table -- or if not in the documentation, in the snippet source
>>> that you get when you click on the example?
>>
>> We could add this to pitches.itely and world.itely (appropriately
>> split up).  Trevor can help you get the documentation source,
>> proofread your texinfo changes, and prepare a patch.
>
> Happy to do this, Joseph.  Just tip me a wink
> if you wish to do this.

Yup, I'll see what I can do.  I'll try to prepare a patch with git.  It
probably makes it easier to do it in NR because I can prepare the table
with texinfo instead of .ly markup.

>> Trevor: the actual table goes in pitches.itely (obviously), while
>> we should add a NR 2.9.2 Makam or Turkish or something.  I guess
>> that section will only contain a "References for..." subsection,
>> but that's fine.
>
> Hhm.  I'll have a think about it but as
> I know precisely zero about this I'd need some
> help.  And from what I've seen on the lists
> I don't relish the idea much, as there seems to
> be little consensus.  If someone wants to write
> that section I'd be happy to guide them and
> insert the mark-up.

I know no more than you about Makam but there are surely enough
resources available to be able to write something that makes sense and
extends the current snippet.  As for sections -- my preference would be
to group all Makam-related stuff together, pitches and all.  This
replicates 2.9.1 on Arabic music, where the note names are discussed in
the second section.

(Arabic note-names are certainly mentioned, in brief, in the 'Note names
in other languages' section of 1.1.1 but they correspond much better to
the standard semitone and quarter-tone pitches than the Makam pitches
do.  So we have two approaches: either Makam as a self-contained entry
in World Music or an extra section in 1.1.1 referring to non-Western
pitches.  I'd go for the former.)

What about translations?  Reading through the Makam snippet I noticed
that it contained multiple translations alongside the core English text.
 How do I address the issue of divergence between English and the other
texts?

Best wishes,

   -- Joe



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