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Re: Lilypond for FL Studio


From: Bernardo Barros
Subject: Re: Lilypond for FL Studio
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 14:27:02 -0300

If you are very focused on VST plugins and want an easy way to have everything, check this distro/respo. Comes with ArdourVST 32 and 64bit and tons of plugins:

http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/


2010/7/22 Johnny Ferguson <address@hidden>
I can somewhat see the analogy, but I dislike this view as it almost assumes that linux audio is somehow impervious to flaws. When it's not flawed though, it's somehow golden.

I disagree with his statement that VST doesn't offer much. For effects he could be right, but in terms of VSTi he's quite wrong. (and on that, I question how much he understands VST). Until we get LV2, we'll be forced to rely on WINE hacks, or to scramble through source code intended for windows hosts. In the end, I don't see VST as relevant any more, and it's a waste of effort to get it working on linux. The standard was only ever intended for effects, and the implementation of instruments is a mess. I only defend VST in any capacity because it works extremely well on the platforms it was intended for, regardless for my feelings towards its implementation. Until LV2 comes around, it's the best available. (Though JACK-Rack has some pretty good effects as well, I love the saturator effects, and arctan distortion is pure bliss)

I also don't share his situation as I'm rather familiar with computers. I've been using them for a little over 16 years now, have done programming, have studied computer science at the university level (which was loaded with a little too much theory for my liking). I know how computers work. I've written working code in languages from Assembly to Scheme.

Despite that, I don't think any level of technical brilliance can save programs from bad design (this is from a usability perspective). A trait my other technical friends find me kind of odd for, but I'm a big picture kind of guy.

I don't feel so strongly for linux audio that I lose any sleep over it. I paid 75 EUR for a copy of renoise, and it's been sitting on my hard drive unused. I associate more with the artist personality, so I don't feel compelled to write code every time I feel like being expressive. Nor do I feel like reading through 20 pages of documentation that is unmaintained to see how I can cobble things together that through historical precedent, could be achieved in easier ways.

I think when linux audio becomes usable, I'll hear about it. For what it's worth, it will stomp that crap out of windows and mac. I have yet to give qTractor a try, so I may revise earlier opinions, but if my experience has shown anything, it's that the screenshots usually look quite impressive, but you load the program and it runs for about 2 minutes before the sound cuts out for some unimaginable reason, or you can't find the function you need.

When you use a tool, you should focus on the task said tool performs, not the tool itself. The tool should be transparent. If I had to consider the workings and parameters of the guitar each moment I played it, the thing would never make a sound.

This of course is my own view of creativity and how linux offerings bear on that process. People are welcome to their rosy opinions, but I'm getting to the point where I'd rather work with analog modulars and a tape deck than try to coax something expressive out of linux audio.

Not sure how relevant this discussion is to the LP mailing list though. I have to praise LP as the one piece of music-related OSS that isn't a piece of junk, and manages to be flexible while still usable. The documentation is also quite comprehensive, and the snippets database is a terse and effective goldmine.

-Johnny


On 07/22/2010 09:20 AM, Dave Phillips wrote:
Greetings,

An interesting take on an experience similar to Johnny Ferguson's :

http://www.linuxmusicians.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=2591#p11388

Best,

dp


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