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Re: fretboard diagram : removing the fret number on the side
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Ian Hulin |
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Re: fretboard diagram : removing the fret number on the side |
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Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:31:07 +0000 |
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Hi Marc, Carl and David,
On 21/12/10 07:51, David Kastrup wrote:
> Carl Sorensen <address@hidden> writes:
>
>> On 12/20/10 8:57 PM, "Marc Mouries" <address@hidden> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> The fret diagram prints a fret number indication on the right that is
>>> confusing from a Violinist perspective.
>>> Is there any option for the fret diagram not to print it?
>>
>> Unfortunately, right now there is no way to change it.
>>
>>>
>>> For instance, in the 2nd D chord i'd like to get rid of the "iv" or
>>> print "i"
>>> because on the Violin it is more helpful to think in terms of position than
>>> fret as there is none.
>>
>> So do you want fret indications in your violin "fret" diagrams?
>>
>> And how is the position calculated?
>
> You can't really calculate it all too well. In "first position", the
> pinky is in the current scale a fifth above the empty string. In "half
> position", it is a diminuished fifth, while the index finger is a half
> step above the empty string (if the index finger is a half step above
> the empty string, but the pinky is still a full fifth, it is not "half
> position" since you can still sound the next empty string).
>
> In "third" position, the index finger is a fourth above the empty
> string. Basically, the position more or less concerns the relation
> between the current scale and the hand position and fingering and is a
> somewhat fuzzy concept when the number of accidentals rises.
>
I think it means slightly different things for different instruments,
Some years ago I learnt some very basic Classical Guitar.
If I remember right, 'position' meant you moved the thumb up behind a
fret as if you were getting ready to barré a chord. So first position
meant your thumb was behind the fifth fret (i.e. a fourth up).
It looks like violin/viola/cello naming/numbering of positions is
different because the instruments are tuned with intervals of a fifth
between the strings instead of a fourth.
>> It seems possible that we could put an option in to label the position
>> instead of the fret. But at this point I don't know how to calculate
>> the position.
>
> The position is not independent of the fingering. Indicating a position
> would only make sense in fret diagrams if you also spell out the
> fingering. I don't know whether there is any established scheme for
> that with violins.
>
Don't know. Playing noddy-level classical guitar was as far as I got in
finding out about the Dark Side (string-playing).
Maybe better-informed people (Graham?) can let us know about all this.
Then we can work out what the user requirement may be.
Then we (probably Carl) can determine whether we can/should extend the
fretboard facilities to cater for it.
Cheers,
Ian