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Re: fretboard diagram : removing the fret number on the side


From: Marc Mouries
Subject: Re: fretboard diagram : removing the fret number on the side
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 11:06:35 -0500
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On 12/21/2010 10:51 AM, Carl Sorensen wrote:
On 12/21/10 12:51 AM, "David Kastrup"<address@hidden>  wrote:

Carl Sorensen<address@hidden>  writes:

On 12/20/10 8:57 PM, "Marc Mouries"<address@hidden>  wrote:


  The fret diagram prints a fret number indication on the right that is
confusing from a Violinist perspective.
  Is there any option for the fret diagram not to print it?
Unfortunately, right now there is no way to change it.

  For instance, in the 2nd D chord i'd like to get rid of the "iv" or
print "i"
because on the Violin it is more helpful to think in terms of position than
fret as there is none.
So do you want fret indications in your violin "fret" diagrams?

And how is the position calculated?
You can't really calculate it all too well.  In "first position", the
pinky is in the current scale a fifth above the empty string.  In "half
position", it is a diminuished fifth, while the index finger is a half
step above the empty string (if the index finger is a half step above
the empty string, but the pinky is still a full fifth, it is not "half
position" since you can still sound the next empty string).

In "third" position, the index finger is a fourth above the empty
string.  Basically, the position more or less concerns the relation
between the current scale and the hand position and fingering and is a
somewhat fuzzy concept when the number of accidentals rises.
There is a fingering chart that shows first and third position fingerings
here:

http://www.violinonline.com/fingerboard_chart.htm

If this chart is to be believed, first position spans from the first "fret"
to the seventh "fret".  Third position spans from the fifth "fret" to the
tenth "fret".

There is also an advanced fingering chart here:

http://www.violinonline.com/fingeringchart-advanced.htm

It shows 1st through 7th positions.  According to this chart, first position
has the first finger on the 1st or 2nd fret, second position has the first
finger on the 3rd or 4th fret, third position has the first finger on the
5th fret, fourth position has the first finger on the 7th fret, fifth
position has the first finger on the 8th or 9th fret, sixth position has the
first finger on the 10th fret, and 7th position has the first finger on the
12th fret.

If this is correct, we could calculate the position given the number of the
fret for the first finger.  And we would just need to add a fretboard
property describing the fret-label scheme.  Then we could display a position
number.

Thanks,

Carl
yep that's it.
The difference between Guitar and Violin is that the number I, II, III indicate a fret on the guitar while on the violin it usually indicates the position of the first finger. If you play a "a" on the "e" string with the 3rd finger, you are in 1st position, if you play it with your 2nd finger you are in 2nd, with your 1st finger you are in 3rd, ... So to compute the position number the position of the 1st finger has to be located.

0  I    II    III   IV  V    VI    VII    POSITION
0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12     "FRET" #
e| f  #  g  #  a  #  b  c  #  d  #  e
A| #  b  c  #  d  #  e  f  #  g  #  a
D| #  e  f  #  g  #  a  #  b  c  #  d
G| #  a  #  b  c  #  d  #  e  f  #  g
0  1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9 10 11 12     "FRET" #
0     I    II III   IV     V VI    VII    POSITION

Nt  f#  Pos
G   0   0/I
#   1   1
a   2   1
#   3   2
b   4   2
c   5   3
#   6   4
d   7   4
#   8   5
e   9   5
f  10   6
#  11   6
g  12   7


A standard D chord in 1st position is played:
<d'  a'  fs''>2 ^\markup \fret-diagram #"w:4;4-x;3-o;2-o;1-2-1;"

position # = 1 because 1st finger is on the f# on the e string. f# on fret #2

Another D chord in 1st position is played:
<d'  fs' d'' >2 ^\markup \fret-diagram #"w:4;4-7-4;3-4-2;2-5-3;1-x;"

position # = 1 because, the 1st finger is not used but the 2nd finger is on a F#, fret# 2 on the D string

A C major chord
<g'  e'  c''>2 ^\markup \fret-diagram #"w:4;4-x;3-5-1;2-7-2;1-8-3;"
position = 3 because first finger is on the G on the fret #5

--Marc





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