Re: Staff change in piano music - a general approach?

[Tobias Braun]

Sorry about the "reply all" thing, I forgot that.

I wasn't aware I was sending an HTML e-mail, sorry. That must have been my 
webmail client.

What I actually want to achieve is to have it look as uncluttered as possible. 
It should be easy to read when playing it on the piano. I'd basically like to 
merge all three voices into as few stems as possible. E.g. the notes of the 
first beat in measure 1 which basically form a chord consisting of three notes 
of the same duration played at the same time should appear as "stacked", not 
next to each other. There is no need to be able to distinguish the individual 
voices.

As this is kind of hard to describe, please have a look at the attached PDF. I 
guess I'd prefer the first measure to look like "Variant 1", but "Variant 2" 
would be acceptable as well. (I achieved this sample PDF through <> chord 
syntax, which is not of much use to me as I already have the individual voices 
in continuous form.)

Regards,
Tobias

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Description: Adobe PDF document

Am 29.12.2010 um 19:12 schrieb Phil Holmes:

> Please always "reply all" to continue the discussion on the newsgroup. Please 
> don't use HTML in your messages, thanks.
> 
> Using almost that score block (see below), I get the attached PDF.  This 
> looks good to me - is there a problem with it?
> 
> \score {
> \new PianoStaff
> <<
>   \new Staff = "upper"
>   <<
>     \global % time and key
>     \clef treble
>     \new Voice {
>       \voiceOne \soprano
>     }
>     \new Voice {
>       \voiceTwo \alto
>     }
>   >>
>   \new Staff = "lower"
>   <<
>     \global \clef bass
>     \new Voice {
>       \voiceThree \tenor
>     }
>     \new Voice {
>       \voiceTwo \bass
>     }
>   >>
> >>
> }
> 
> 
> ==
> Phil Holmes
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: address@hidden
> To: Phil Holmes
> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 5:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Staff change in piano music â general approach?
> 
> 
> Thank you for your response.
> 
> I have now changed my implicit { } \\ { } voices construct to
> \new Voice { \voiceOne \soprano } \new Voice { \voiceTwo \alto } \new Voice { 
> \voiceThree \tenor }
> 
> \score { \new PianoStaff << \new Staff = "upper" << \global % time and key 
> \clef treble \new Voice { \voiceOne \soprano } \new Voice { \voiceThree \alto 
> } \new Voice { \voiceTwo \tenor } >> \new Staff = "lower" << \global \clef 
> bass \new Voice { \voiceTwo \bass } >> >> }
> 
> 
> But I can't seem to get LilyPond to use the same stems for the \voiceOne and 
> \voiceThree voices,
> even when the note durations are the same. They always appear as separate 
> voices.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Tobias
> 
> 
> Phil Holmes <address@hidden> hat am 29. Dezember 2010 um 16:16 geschrieben:
> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tobias Braun" <address@hidden>
>> To: <address@hidden>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 2:58 PM
>> Subject: Staff change in piano music â?? general approach?
>> 
>> 
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > I am trying to typeset a Renaissance piece consisting of four voices
>> > in a way that makes it easier to play the piece on the piano, i.e. put
>> > the music into a PianoStaff. I have separated the individual voices and
>> > stored them in variables in order to be able to also make a version
>> > with four staff lines, one for each voice.
>> >
>> > Sorry for not providing a minimal example, but I find it really hard to
>> > make my point on this issue without the real music.
>> >
>> > Now for my problem: when putting the four voices into a PianoStaff,
>> > the beginning of the third voice creates many ledger lines, making
>> > the music hard to read. What I'd like to do is move the first six bars
>> > of the third voice from the second staff to the first staff. But my
>> > attempt to do so, with the help of the manual, has caused quite a
>> > mess, as you can see when uncommenting the commented lines in the
>> > example given below.
>> >
>> > What would be the best general approach for moving part of the third
>> > voice to the first staff? Apparently LilyPond doesn't want to combine > the
>> > voices, just printing one on top of the other instead.
>> 
>> Instead of using \stemUp and \stemDown, have a look at using voices to
>> control the placement of notes.  See
>> 
>> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Simultaneous-notes#Simultaneous-notes
>> 
>> for information on this.
>> 
>> > A general question, as I've never really used a mailing list before: I
>> > sent
>> > this message via the post.gmane.org form. How do you normally handle
>> > mailing lists? Am I supposed to subscribe to the list rather than use > the
>> > gmane form? Should I use a separate e-mail address for the list, in
>> > order to keep these mails out of my main inbox? Sorry for my lack of
>> > knowledge regarding mailing lists, but so far, I have only been using
>> > regular web forums.
>> 
>> It's up to you.  If you're going to use the list frequently, you'll probably
>> find it easier to subscribe.  You may want to use an email address that's
>> disposable, since you'll probably get more spam because of the email address
>> being more widely visible.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Phil Holmes
>> 
> <PianoStaff.pdf>