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Re: LYNX-DEV ALIGNment problem

From: Hiram Lester, Jr.
Subject: Re: LYNX-DEV ALIGNment problem
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 1996 22:01:53 -0600 (CST)

On Fri, 13 Dec 1996, Christopher R. Maden wrote:

> I am still going to be critical though - but differently.
> As an <hr> can not be part of a <p>, its appearance should imply the
> end of the <p>.  The implied end and an express end should be
> identical.  Authors who know the DTD may rely on the structure that it
> expresses; I rarely, if ever, use </p>.

Shame! :)  I consider it bad style to leave off closing tags for
paragraphs and table elements although the later is all too common. :(
OPTION is also technically a container tag, but NOONE uses a closing tag
for it.  I found a cool program recently called HTML-Pretty that formats
HTML files with indenting and such that makes it extremely readable, but
it REQUIRES </option> tags to not get confused on select blocks.  I wrote
to the author about it, and got a reply a couple of days ago that it was
too difficult to change that portion, but the normalizing program included
with sgmls would insert missing </option>'s for you much as htmlpty will
insert other missing tags...

> Likewise, uncontained text should be assumed to be in its own <p>, and
> should be handled identically to an explicit <p>.  Thus:
> <body>         <body>         <body>         <body>
> <p>Line 1.     Line 1.        Line 1.        <p>Line 1.</p>
> <hr>           <hr>           <hr>           <hr>
> Line 2.        Line 2.        <p>Line 2.     <p>Line 2.</p>
> </body>        </body>        </body>        </body>
> should all be handled identically, IMO.  (FWIW, SGMLS produces an
> identical ESIS, mod a few '\n's, for each of these, if anyone cares.)

Sadly enough, the <p> tag is RECOMMENDED, but not required.  If you want
your documents to pass STRICT parsing, you need all unenclosed text to
appear in a <p> block, but as you have found, it will pass validation
without the <p> block.  As a test, go to Webtechs and try using the Strict
option on a page without <p>'s, and you'll see that it won't pass.  The
<p> is required under the recommended mode, but not in the deprecated

As a side note, this even applies for HTML 2.0 in which the <p> was first
declared as a container tag.  In a previous message, I said I wasn't
sure... :)

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