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[Pan-users] Re: Aaarrrgghhh! Whahoppena Terminal??


From: Beartooth
Subject: [Pan-users] Re: Aaarrrgghhh! Whahoppena Terminal??
Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 22:00:40 +0000 (UTC)
User-agent: Pan/0.133 (House of Butterflies)

On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:29:41 -0500, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:

> Beartooth wrote:
>> On Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:59:55 -0500, Rinaldi J. Montessi wrote:
>> 
>>> run ps auxw grep pine and ps auxw | grep perl
>> address@hidden ~]$ ps auxw|grep pine
>> btth     11116  0.0  0.2  15600  6640 pts/5    S+   15:22   0:01 alpine
>> btth     12020  0.0  0.0   4212   704 pts/1    S+   16:10   0:00 grep
>> pine address@hidden ~]$
> 
> If alpine is like pine it looks for a lock on your mail spool.  Does the
> same thing happen if you close alpine before invoking the perl script?

address@hidden ~]$ alpine_helper.pl mailto:address@hidden &
[1] 12573
address@hidden ~]$ ls -l /home/btth/bin
total 4
-rwxr-xr-x 1 btth btth 143 2009-03-06 13:26 alpine_helper.pl
[1]+  Done                    alpine_helper.pl mailto:address@hidden
address@hidden ~]$ 

        That first one did in fact launch Alpine in a Terminal. As for 
locks -- I do remember that Pine used to do that. I don't think I've seen 
Alpine do it. If I KVM to another machine, with Alpine running on this 
one, I can still invoke it on the other.

        Also, my access provider gives me a webmail address, which I use 
for looking at pix and for blacklisting spam -- and otherwise at little 
as possible. But I've noticed that, if one of the two (alpine or webmail) 
is already open, I can still open the other. So I suspect that the change 
from Pine was deliberate.
> 
>> and
>> address@hidden ~]$ ps auxw|grep perl
>> btth     12039  0.0  0.0   4212   704 pts/1    S+   16:12   0:00 grep
>> perl address@hidden ~]$
> 
> This is OK
        [...]
>>      I hope you see more than I do above (which is quite possible) --
>> or have more ideas ....
> 
> Not yet ;-)  You should be able to run as many instances of terminal or
> perl as you wish so that narrows it down to alpine and a lock file. Have
> you straced the script?

        I don't think I've ever used strace -- or learned any more than 
how to spell it, alas!
 
> Why don't you use pan's mailer?

        I'm one of these deep-dyed fanatics who starts from the position 
that any computer not able to run Pine/Alpine is a disgrace to sit down 
at, and has to have it installed ASAP, or be repaired with a 
sledgehammer. After twelve or fifteen years of it, my fingers know the 
commands; so I can keep my conscious thought on what I'm reading or 
saying.

        So I haven't the faintest notion what mailer Pan would invoke if 
I didn't tell it -- but I'll bet a dollar to doughnuts that I'd detest 
it, even if it weren't webmail, and more if it were. 

> Do you boot to level 5 (X) or level 3 and startx?  I'm curious if an
> error might be showing in the tty you startx from.

        I boot straight into level 5; even my login is there.

-- 
Beartooth Staffwright, PhD, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert
Remember I know precious little of what I am talking about.





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