Re: [Phpgroupware-developers] iDots Template (was: DotGNU 0.1 CD-ROM available from CheapBytes.com)

[Reiner Jung]

Am Mit, 2003-11-05 um 03.46 schrieb Chris Weiss:
> Reiner Jung (address@hidden) wrote:
> >> Pim Snell created a template which *may* involve a breach of copyright -
> >> known as idots.
> >
> >I DON'T understand that you parents DON'T tell you. Dave DON't lie.
> >YOU was involved, and now you tell, I know nothing ? Before we spoke
> >about it, he told us about problems with license. We say that it is OK,
> >but we solve the problem.
> 
> word is word, but do you have a log to back this up?

It is for me not from interest, you believe me or not. Do what you want,
or ask the dev from your site.

> 
> >> Reneir Jung has made some claims about phpGW containing material that is
> >> in breach of copyright.  The was done on a thread discussing the release
> >> of DotGNU 0.1.  The appears to be a lame attempt at FUD PR from EGO.
> >
> >Wake up. We release yesterday our new release, with the changed
> >template. Have nothing to do with phpgw! You think you are so impotent ?
> >Not for our project. We are former developers, but we have our own
> >project now!
> 
> Seeing as your project start off as phpGW it would appear that phpGW is pretty
> important.  None the less, what does you're release have to do with anything?
> 
> >> No one from EGO would provide any further information regarding the
> >> claims made.
> >
> >What you need. You receive all what is necessary to solve the problem.
> >We inform the devs. Should we solve your problem ?
> >
> 
> First, as I understand it, you recieved a letter from phpBB concerning the eGW
> website layout, which is based on the iDots template. 

I don't understand it. First it was the GIF, now i receive a letter ...
I inform you that you have a problem and finish.

>  Then, all on your own, you
> make the jump to point out our iDots template probably has the same problem, 

Idots from eGW and phpgw was absolutely the same, and we know that we
have a problem. People only tell us now that we have a problem and we
solve it. After we solve it, i told it you. Maybe on your side it was
forgotten.


> except
> that you don't actually say what the problem is.  You didn't inform the devs 
> of
> anything, 

What devs, you ? When kecke is my priest. then i think i must inform him
about anything. 

> but lucky for us knecke isn't trying to stir up FUD and was willing to be
> flat out honest with us in what the problem is.  Knecke didn't know the whole 
> story,
> but he certainly told us enough to get the problem worked out, very much 
> unlike you.

When it is to much for some people on you side to take a look at to
templates, then sorry. When you compare it you need seconds. 

> 
> Seems to me that it would be in eGW's best intrest to at least be on working 
> terms
> with phpGW in the areas where our code is still shared.  
> There are still potential
> exploits in the code, there are in every project no matter the origins or 
> language,
> and if we don't have a working relationship one of us is likely to be in big 
> trouble
> down the road.  And given our user base vs. yours, i'm willing to bet it 
> won't be us.

What will be, we will see. We don't need a relationship with phpgw.
You can download from our CVS what you want use (like FUDforum, and
write that it is ported to phpgw, again one lie) and import it to your
CVS, and we use from your CVS what we think i is usefull. 

> 
> I don't understand why there has to be all the grief.  This should have been 
> simple.
> -the code started off in our CVS, you copied out.
> -you changed the code for what you believe was licensing issues
> -when asked what you changed and why your response could have been "oh, we 
> had to
> remove X and change X" instead of "go look at the code, i don't have to tell 
> you
> anything"

Go look and compare 2 templates. Type 2 URL need seconds to see what is
changed. Is this to much ?

> 
> this was VERY disrespectfull and almost against the GPL.

What is again the GPL? That i must tell you what you must do ? That you
have non GPL code in you template? 

>   Your only saving grace is
> that you did indeed release the code.  Why does it have to be like this.  You 
> and
> Dave are just 2 poeple, so what if you can't get along, talk to someone else.
> 
> 
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