RE: Pspp-users Digest, Vol 101, Issue 18

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Re: scatterplot (Harry Thijssen)
   2. Re: AW: AW: scatterplot (news)
   3. Re: scatterplot (Friedrich Beckmann)
   4. oblimin rotation? (Matej Kovacic)
   5. Re: oblimin rotation? (Germano Rossi)
   6. Re: oblimin rotation? (Matej Kovacic)
   7. Re: oblimin rotation? (Joseph Saint Pierre)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 18:33:19 +0200
From: Harry Thijssen <address@hidden>
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Subject: Re: Re: scatterplot
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> Ok, this explains that. Thank you.
> ok, I try SciDavis.
>
> ftr
>
> On 23/10/2014 14:10, Friedrich Beckmann wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > the scatterplot is not included in the 0.8.4 release. So you can see 
> > it only if you build pspp from the current sources. The description 
> > which commands work and which not are in the documentation.
> >
> > Friedrich
>

Hi Frank

It looks your message is coming from an MSWindows system. In that case:

The PSPP MSWindows builds on sourceforge are newer as the version number 
indicates.
You could see it as a 0.8.4+ version. In the help there is a complete version 
number which is something like 0.8.4-?????? or you can look at the file name of 
the installer which includes the date of the sources.

The latest release candidate is the version you need.

Have fun
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Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 21:13:50 +0200
From: news <address@hidden>
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Thank you for the hint for the newer version .

But I don't find the syntax that works. Where do you find a syntax list ?

graph  /scatterplot=y with x.
graph  /scatterplot=y by x.


Neither of two worked.

- ftr

On 23/10/2014 12:57, Hulliger Beat wrote:
> You must use the syntax, e.g.:
>
> graph
>   /scatterplot=y with x.
>
> With my version the dots are yellow, a bad choice for most screens, but 
> still: it works!
>
> Good luck!
>
> Beat
>
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> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: address@hidden 
> [mailto:address@hidden Im Auftrag 
> von F. Thomas
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Oktober 2014 12:39
> An: address@hidden
> Betreff: Re: AW: scatterplot
>
> Where did you find it ?
> GRAPH, CGRAPH are among the functions not implemented and are not 
> listed in the command index :-( -ftr
>
> On 23/10/2014 11:44, Hulliger Beat wrote:
>> I just realised that the graph command is available with the syntax but not 
>> yet in the PSPPIRE. Scatterplot and histograms work! Sorry for overlooking 
>> this!
>>
>> Still barcharts seem to be missing.
>>
>> Beat
>>
>>
>> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: address@hidden
>> [mailto:address@hidden Im Auftrag 
>> von news
>> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Oktober 2014 18:59
>> An: address@hidden
>> Betreff: Re: scatterplot
>>
>> A intermediate solution could be the easy exportation of results to 
>> gnumeric, or Libreoffice.
>>
>> If not I support this idea a,d add
>> - scatter plot with a non-numerical grouping variable
>>      such as age by income gy gender.
>>
>> Regards,
>> ftr
>>
>> On 22/10/2014 10:55, Hulliger Beat wrote:
>>> Are there plans for
>>>
>>> i)implementing (grouped) boxplots, histograms and normalplot into 
>>> the user interface psppire?
>>>
>>> ii)adding a scatterplot to the correlation?
>>>
>>> iii)adding a barchart to frequencies (for nominal)?
>>>
>>> iv)adding the Tukey-Anscombe plot (residuals versus predicted) to 
>>> the regression?
>>>
>>> The plots do not need to be interactive (like GGRAPH) but just 
>>> decent static plots.
>>>
>>> Thanks
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>>> Beat
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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 00:20:44 +0200
From: Friedrich Beckmann <address@hidden>
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Am 23.10.2014 um 21:13 schrieb news <address@hidden>:

> Thank you for the hint for the newer version .
> 
> But I don't find the syntax that works. Where do you find a syntax list ?
> 
> graph  /scatterplot=y with x.
> graph  /scatterplot=y by x.
> 
> 
> Neither of two worked.
> 

Hi, you can find the latest documentation here:

http://pspp.benpfaff.org/~blp/pspp-master/latest/source/user-manual/pspp.html#GRAPH




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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 09:31:59 +0200
From: Matej Kovacic <address@hidden>
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Subject: oblimin rotation?
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Hi,

I have a question about factor analysis, specifically the rotations. Are there 
any plans to implement oblimin or any other non-orthogonal rotation?

BTW, I was successfull to persuade Faculty of Health Care 
(http://www.fzj.si/en/ - Slovenia, Europe) to switch from SPSS to PSPP.
They have found out PSPP currently has almost everything they need, except some 
non-orthogonal rotation for factor analysis.

Thanks again for this great software.

Regards,

M.



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:16:17 +0200
From: Germano Rossi <address@hidden>
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Subject: Re: oblimin rotation?
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2014-10-24 9:31 GMT+02:00 Matej Kovacic <address@hidden>:

> I have a question about factor analysis, specifically the rotations. 
> Are there any plans to implement oblimin or any other non-orthogonal rotation?
>
> BTW, I was successfull to persuade Faculty of Health Care 
> (http://www.fzj.si/en/ - Slovenia, Europe) to switch from SPSS to PSPP.
> They have found out PSPP currently has almost everything they need, 
> except some non-orthogonal rotation for factor analysis.
>

PSPP is at version 0.84 not at 1.x and is an "open" source program. This mean 
"gratis" for us (to use) and for the programmers (to write).
In my opinion, it is premature to abandon SPSS for PSPP if you use it for 
research.
It's fine for teaching statistics or introduction to data analysis.
If SPSS is too expensive, I suggest you to use a combination of PSPP and R 
(both free).
Eg., In version 0.84, for the extraction (to date) PSPP uses principal 
components or principal axes, not maximum likelihood o minimum residual.
Good for teaching, not for a serious research analysis. But also SPSS is 
limited, not being able to apply fit indices (as does R with the package psych).

Germano
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:26:55 +0200
From: Matej Kovacic <address@hidden>
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Subject: Re: oblimin rotation?
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Hi,

> In my opinion, it is premature to abandon SPSS for PSPP if you use it 
> for research.
> It's fine for teaching statistics or introduction to data analysis.
> If SPSS is too expensive, I suggest you to use a combination of PSPP 
> and R (both free).

I know. That is why PSPP is used for teaching basic statistics only.

Regards,

M.



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Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 10:51:06 +0200
From: Joseph Saint Pierre <address@hidden>
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2014-10-24 10:26 UTC+02:00, Matej Kovacic <address@hidden>:
> Hi,
>
>> In my opinion, it is premature to abandon SPSS for PSPP if you use it 
>> for research.
>> It's fine for teaching statistics or introduction to data analysis.
>> If SPSS is too expensive, I suggest you to use a combination of PSPP 
>> and R (both free).
>
> I know. That is why PSPP is used for teaching basic statistics only.

Hello.

It is exactly what I thought when I decided in 2005 to supervise writing a PSPP 
tutorial in french. PSPP is really great for basic statistics. To perform 
complex methods R is better.
GPArotation package can be used for oblimin rotation in R. But I think PSPP is 
better than R to handle large data files.

Joseph Saint Pierre
http://cict.fr/~stpierre



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