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Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v11 03/13] qmp: Add block-dirty-bitmap-add and b


From: John Snow
Subject: Re: [Qemu-devel] [PATCH v11 03/13] qmp: Add block-dirty-bitmap-add and block-dirty-bitmap-remove
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:04:37 -0500
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On 01/30/2015 09:32 AM, Kevin Wolf wrote:
Am 21.01.2015 um 10:34 hat Markus Armbruster geschrieben:
I'm afraid I forgot much of the discussion we had before the break, and
only now it's coming back, slowly.

Quoting myself on naming parameters identifying nodes[*]:

     John Snow pointed out to me that we still haven't spelled out how this
     single parameter should be named.

     On obvious option is calling it node-name, or FOO-node-name when we have
     several.  However, we'd then have two subtly different kinds of
     parameters called like that: the old ones accept *only* node names, the
     new ones also accept backend names, which automatically resolve to the
     backend's root node.

     Three ways to cope with that:

     * Find a better name.

     * Make the old ones accept backend names, too.  Only a few, not that
       much work.  However, there are exceptions:

       - blockdev-add's node-name *defines* the node name.

       - query-named-block-nodes's node-name *is* the node's name.

     * Stop worrying and embrace the inconsistency.  The affected commands
       are headed for deprecation anyway.

     I think I'd go with "node" or "FOO-node" for parameters that reference
     nodes and accept both node names and backend names, and refrain from
     touching the existing node-name parameters.

Wasn't the conclusion last time that we would try to find a better name
for new commands and leave old commands alone because they are going to
become deprecated? That is, a combination of your first and last option?


That was my impression, too: Use a new name for new commands and then slowly phase out the old things. This makes the new name clear as to what it supports (BOTH backends and nodes through a common namespace) to external management utilities like libvirt.

That's why I just rolled 'node-ref.'

Let's go through existing uses of @node-name again:

1. Define a node name

    QMP commands blockdev-add (type BlockdevOptionsBase), drive-mirror

2. Report a node name

    QMP command query-named-block-nodes (type BlockDeviceInfo)

Whatever name we end up using, 1. and 2. should probably use the same.

Should they? If these commands accept directly *node* names and have no chance of referencing a backend, maybe they should use different parameter names.


3. Node reference with backend names permitted for convenience

    New QMP command block-dirty-bitmap-add (type BlockDirtyBitmapAdd) and
    others

4. Node reference with backend names not permitted

    QMP commands drive-mirror @replaces, change-backing-file
    @image-node-name

    We may want to support the "backend name resolves to root node"
    convenience feature here, for consistency.  Then this moves under 3.

    Note interface wart: change-backing-file additionally requires the
    backend owning the node.  We need the backend to set op-blockers, we
    can't easily find it from the node, so we make the user point it out
    to us.

These shouldn't be existing. As you say, we should move them to 3.


Technically #3 here isn't a usage of "node-name," because... I didn't use node-name for these commands. Unless I am reading this list wrong, but it's definitely not an "existing use."

I don't have any opinions about #4; presumably that's something we're aiming to phase out.

5. "Pair of names" node reference, specify exactly one

    QMP commands block_passwd, block_resize, blockdev-snapshot-sync

    We can ignore this one, because we intend to replace the commands and
    deprecate the old ones.

Agreed, these shouldn't be existing either.

If I understand you correctly, you're proposing to use @node-name or
@FOO-node-name when the value must be a node name (items 1+2 and 4), and
@node-ref or @FOO-node-ref where we additionally support the "backend
name resolves to root node" convenience feature (item 3).

Is that a fair description of your proposal?

PRO: the name makes it clear when the convenience feature is supported.

CON: if we eliminate 4 by supporting the convenience feature, we either
create ugly exceptions to the naming convention, or rename the
parameters.

Opinions?

If we don't have any cases where node names are allowed, but backend
names are not, then there is no reason to have two different names. I've
yet to see a reason for having commands that can accept node names, but
not backend names.

It's a bit different when the command can already accept both, but uses
two separate arguments for it. But I think most of them will be
deprecated, so we can ignore them here.

As for the naming, I'm not that sure that it's even useful to add
something to the field name. After all, this is really the _type_ of the
object, not the name. We don't have fields like 'read-only-bool' either.

If we're more specifically looking at things that actually refer to
block devices, you already mentioned drive-mirrors @replaces, which is a
great name in my opinion. @replaces-node-ref wouldn't improve anything.
Likewise, blockdev-add already refers to 'file' and 'backing' instead of
'file-node' or 'backing-node-ref'.

This probably means that FOO-node-{ref,name} shouldn't exist, because
just FOO is as good or better. The question is a bit harder where there
is only one node involved and we don't have a nice word to describe its
role for the command. This is where we used to use 'device' in the past,
when node-level addressing didn't exist yet. I think just 'node' would
be fine there.

Kevin


I'd be happy with naming things "node" (or node-ref, either is fine) going forward; and leaving the old commands (node-name) alone. I seem to recall there was a reason we didn't want to just keep using node-name for the new unified parameters.

It makes sense that if we don't keep a "this means node name ONLY" parameter for any command then there is no reason to make some distinction between that and "this parameter accepts both," but I think for purposes of libvirt, it is helpful to have a concrete distinction between versions that it can rely on.

Could be mis-remembering, this whole discussion is spread out over months now.



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