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[Qemu-devel] Minutes of KVM Forum BoF on deprecating stuff
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Markus Armbruster |
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[Qemu-devel] Minutes of KVM Forum BoF on deprecating stuff |
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Fri, 26 Oct 2018 16:03:51 +0200 |
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This is from my (imperfect) notes, corrections welcome.
Motivation: QEMU contains stuff of dubious value, which gets in the way
in various (sometimes painful and expensive) ways.
Deprecation is the marking of an external interface as "we intend to
remove this, you should stop using it" (preferably with advice on what
to use instead). We have a deprecation policy to guide us through this
process.
Topics we covered, reordered for readability:
* Dropping features inconveniences their users. Keeping them impedes
forward movement, and thus inconveniences other users. We need to
engage with the tradeoffs.
* The cost of keeping both old and new for a deprecation grace period
(currently two releases) can be painfully high. Tradeoff again.
However, there's rough consensus not to mess with the deprecation
policy right now.
* When something has been broken for the customary deprecation grace
period, removing it without going through the deprecation process
should be okay.
* We may have to deprecate interfaces, but we may also have a need to
deprecate guarantees interfaces provide. Worse when the guarantees
are tacit. No good answers. Let's attack less thorny problems first.
* One obvious class of candidates for removal is machines we don't know
how to boot, or can't boot, say because we lack required firmware
and/or OS.
Of course, "can boot" should be an automated test. As a first step
towards that, we should at least document how to boot each machine.
We're going to ask machine maintainers to do that.
* We need to communicate "you're using something that is deprecated".
How? Right now, we print a deprecation message. Okay when humans use
QEMU directly in a shell. However, when QEMU sits at the bottom of a
software stack, the message will likely end up in a log file that is
effectively write-only.
- The one way to get people read log files is crashing their
application. A command line option --future could make QEMU crash
right after printing a deprecation message. This could help with
finding use of deprecated features in a testing environment.
- A less destructive way to grab people's attention is to make things
run really, really slow: have QEMU go to sleep for a while after
printing a deprecation message.
- We can also pass the buck to the next layer up: emit a QMP event.
Sadly, by the time the next layer connects to QMP, plenty of stuff
already happened. We'd have to buffer deprecation events somehow.
What would libvirt do with such an event? Log it, taint the domain,
emit a (libvirt) event to pass it on to the next layer up.
- A completely different idea is to have a configuratin linter. To
support doing this at the libvirt level, QEMU could expose "is
deprecated" in interface introspection. Feels feasible for QMP,
where we already have sufficiently expressive introspection. For
CLI, we'd first have to provide that (but we want that anyway).
- We might also want to dispay deprecation messages in QEMU's GUI
somehow, or on serial consoles.
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