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Re: some general help needed
Re: some general help needed
Sun, 17 Aug 2008 20:06:24 +0200
On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 10:50 +0200, Ralf Wildenhues wrote:
Thank you for your replies. I have accumulated a list of very useful
links that may help me to deal with the problem.
For instance, John Calcote has sent me a link to his tutorial about
autotools that I find exceedingly useful and that I haven't been able to
I absolutely don't agree with the reasoning why not to have a wiki.
Autotools don't have an official tutorial. Wiki is good since autotools
are changing and wikis are easy to update.
I am going to gather many useful experiences and I would like to post
them to some place where they will be available for everyone for a long
time and where they will be easy to find.
The worst thing that can happen to a wiki is spam infestation, so why
not to at least try it? It can be useful for many beings!
I look forward to future colaboration
btw: Posts have "wrong" header in the way that when one replies to them, one
will ommit the mailing list.
I have received replies that went only to me and I made that mistake as well.
Other mailing lists usually behave differently...
So what do you think of this behavior?
> Hi Matej,
> Besides what was already mentioned:
> * Matej Tyc wrote on Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 02:40:53PM CEST:
> > a) What is some "standard root project directory layout" that doesn't
> > cause problems and that everybody likes? I have learned that it is good
> > to have /src directory, /build-aux dir, /m4 dir and maybe /bin dir, all
> > from different sources. Nothing "official" from experienced autotools
> > users that would say 'Don't put your object files to the root since it
> > becomes a terrible mess afterwards' (wxWidgets project behaves like
> > this)
> Mostly a matter of taste. Having build-aux and m4 is good to keep many
> helper files out of the way.
> Please allow to have the build tree completely separate from the source
> > b) What is considered to be the smart way how to build documentation
> > for the project? How to include doc build to autools setup?
> Do you already have documentation in some form?
> If not, consider what you and your peer developers are familiar with,
> otherwise you can try texinfo.
> > c) How to deal with the fact that the project is multiplatform and the
> > build process is not mplatform independent?
> Try to off-load as much of the platform dependencies to autoconf.
> The GNU Coding Standards has some guidance, aside from the Autoconf
> manual. More help here if you ask more specific questions.
> > 2. I have a library and I would like to make life easy for people that
> > will use it and choose autotools to manage their projects. What is the
> > standard/simple/portable/smart way how to do this?
> > I have seen a very long macro (AM_PATH_LIB(...)) and some script
> > (lib-config) that hasn't always been working very well (problems with
> > cross-compilation, ...) How you do this, please?
> Use libtool and pkg-config.
> > What about an autotools wiki? Autotools are considered "arcane and hard
> > to use." But it is mainly due to lack of documentation that young
> > developers require, don't you think?
> There is a good tutorial at
> It's considerably newer and more up to date than the Autobook.
> Somebody has started writing on a new book recently IIRC.
> Requests for a wiki have come up before; one problem with a wiki is that
> we felt that it would need to be maintained by somebody experienced. We
> prefer that good advice end up in the manuals, or maybe in the above
> > Please, don't underestimate user-friendliness!
> Good point. As a first, if you ask specific questions on what you tried
> and what doesn't work, chances are really high you will be helped on
> these lists.
- some general help needed, Matej Tyc, 2008/08/15
- Re: some general help needed, Ralf Wildenhues, 2008/08/16
- Re: some general help needed,
Matej Tyc <=
- mailing list behavior [was: some general help needed], Eric Blake, 2008/08/17
- Re: mailing list behavior [was: some general help needed], Matej Tyc, 2008/08/29
- Re: mailing list behavior [was: some general help needed], Bob Proulx, 2008/08/29
- Re: mailing list behavior, Peter O'Gorman, 2008/08/29
- Re: mailing list behavior, Bob Proulx, 2008/08/29
- Re: mailing list behavior, Matej Tyc, 2008/08/29
- Re: mailing list behavior [was: some general help needed], Eric Blake, 2008/08/30