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Re: [Axiom-developer] Design Thoughts on Semantic Latex (SELATEX)

From: Tim Daly
Subject: Re: [Axiom-developer] Design Thoughts on Semantic Latex (SELATEX)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 00:45:34 -0400

One of the Axiom project goals is to develop a "Computer Algebra Test
Suite" (CATS). Albert Rich has done this with RUBI and integration. That
work is already partially in the test suite and work has been done on the
pattern matching. Large datasets (like Kamke) are always welcome. Some,
such as Schaums were hand-developed. This is tedious.

As Axiom develops more explanations and documentation it would be
useful to execute the formulas directly so there is a local incentive to be
clear about semantics.

In the long term the hope is that we can just grab formulas directly from
their sources (ala literate programming). Your work makes it plain that raw
latex does not carry sufficient semantics. There is a global question of
how to make this work. Unfortunately a general cross-platform solution
is difficult (cite Dewar/Davenport/et al. for OpenMath).

Since Axiom is literate and extracting formulas is trivial it seems that
literate markup is a natural goal. Since Axiom uses abstract algebra
as a scaffold the type tower already has a lot of axiomatic semantics.
The natural join of literate latex and abstract algebra is clearly
semantic markup, aka selatex.

Consideration 10: semantic->inputform translation (weaver? :-) )

>x and not x   has no particular meaning,  but if x is explicitly true or false,
>Maxima simplifies it to false.  If SEALATEX has a semantics -- are you
>defining yet another CAS?  Or perhaps you should link it 100% to Axiom's
>semantics, which you presumably know about and can modify.

I am NOT defining another CAS. The goal is a "well-designed hack" using
universally understood latex, a latex package, and a translation program.

The selatex idea is only partially Axiom specific. \INT, for instance, seems
pretty generic. However, if the idea is to read formulas and disambiguate
a=b (boolean) vs a=b (equation) then the markup needs to be grounded
to have meaning. Axiom's domains (BOOLEAN) and (EQ) as the ground


are unambiguous relative to each other in Axiom. I don't know enough
about Maxima to understand how this might translate.

The extracted formulas with the decorated semantics still needs a
semantics->inputform (weaver) pre-processor which could be Maxima
specific. This would lead to debate about what "equality" means, of course.

Axiom has tried to create a first-order "rosetta stone" to translate between
systems (rosetta.pdf [1]) but it is too shallow to consider providing
cross-platform semantics.

Consideration 11: \scope in selatex

>As far as recording stuff in DLMF -- there are presumably scope issues
>("in this chapter n,m are natural numbers....")  and maybe even a need
>to make value assignments. 
>I think you need to model these in SEALATEX too.

(See Consideration 6)

Clearly there are scoping issues. My current thinking is to create a
\scope markup that would manage the environment(s). This is not
a new issue (see "Lisp in Small Pieces" [0])

There seem to be three concerns.

First is the scope name, with something like 'global' as a keyword.
Second is the "closure chain" of other scopes.
Third is the symbol being scoped.


The weaver program would walk this chain to create the proper
file syntax for system input.

Consideration 12: System specific commands \axiom

Along with the formulas it is clear that some system specific
input may be required, such as loading files, clearing workspaces,
etc. Some of these may be done in the weaver program, such as
between formulas. Others may need to be added to the semantics
block. So a markup that provides verbatim quoting per system
might be defined, e.g.

\axiom{)clear all}  %clear the workspace

which would simply quote an input line.


Note that so far all that is being suggested is transparent formula
markups which do not impact the presentation, some special tags
(\scope, \axiom,...) and a weaver program, along with the ability to
read the latex and extract named formulas (aka a literate program,
which Axiom already can do).

It ought to be possible (by design) to create a semantic version of
CRC that any system could import, assuming a "sufficiently clever

On a more ambitious note, I am trying to find a way to keep the selatex
markup "hidden" in a pdf and use it as the clipboard paste when the
formula is selected. Anyone with a clue, please help.


[0] Queinnec, Christopher, "Lisp in Small Pieces" ISBN 978-0521545662

[1] Wester, Michael J. and Daly, TImothy "Rosetta"

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 5:30 PM, Richard Fateman <address@hidden> wrote:
thanks for all the references :)

I'm not sure if I'm going to repeat comments I  made already somewhere.
First,  has Dan Zwillinger weighed in?  I think that it would be useful
to see what he has done.

Next, there are ambiguities among CAS and even within a single CAS.

For example, in Macsyma/ Maxima  there is generally no semantics
associated with "=" or ">".   But in some contexts, there is some meaning.


is a tree _expression_.  It is not associated with x or with y.

assume(x>2*y)   does mean something ... it puts info in a database.
Somehow encoding the method to extract this information into SEALATEX
(SeLaTeX?) in a CAS-independent way -- that's quite a task.   In
particular, it would seem to require an understanding of what assume()
does in Maxima, and what is() does also.

x and not x   has no particular meaning,  but if x is explicitly true or false,
Maxima simplifies it to false.  If SEALATEX has a semantics -- are you
defining yet another CAS?  Or perhaps you should link it 100% to Axiom's
semantics, which you presumably know about and can modify.

As far as recording stuff in DLMF -- there are presumably scope issues
("in this chapter n,m are natural numbers....")  and maybe even a need
to make value assignments. 
I think you need to model these in SEALATEX too.

Just musing about where you are heading.


On 8/18/2016 11:45 AM, Tim Daly wrote:
Fateman [0] raised a set of issues with the OpenMath
approach. We are not trying to be cross-platform in this
effort. Axiom does provide an algebraic scaffold so it is
possible that the selatex markup might be useful elsewhere
but that is not a design criterion.

Fateman[1] also raises some difficult cross-platform issues
that are not part of this design.

Fateman[2] shows that parsing tex with only syntactic markup
succeeded on only 43% of 10740 inputs. It ought to be posible
to increase this percentage given proper semantic markup.
(Perhaps there should be a competition similar to the deep
learning groups? PhDs have been awarded on incremental
improvements of the percentage)

This is a design-by-crawl approach to the semantic markup
idea. The hope is to get something running this week that
'works' but giving due consideration to global and long-term
issues. A first glance at CRC/NIST raises more questions
than answers as is usual with any research.

It IS a design goal to support a Computer Algebra Test Suite
tedious to hand construct test suites. It will be even more
tedious to construct them "second-level" by doing semantic
markup and then trying to use them as input, but the hope is
that eventually the CRC/NIST/G&R, etc will eventually be
published with semantics so computational mathematics can
stop working from syntax.

Consideration 4: I/O transparency

Assume for the moment that we take a latex file containing
only formulas. We would like to be able to read this file so
it has computational mathematics (CM) semantics.

It is clear that there needs to be semantic tags that carry the
information but these tags have to be carefully designed NOT
to change the syntactic display. They may, as noted before,
require multiple semantic versions for a single syntax.

It is also clear that we would like to be able to output formulas
with CM semantics where currently we only output syntax.

Consideration 5: I/O isomorphism

An important property of selatex is an isomorphism with
input/output. Axiom allows output forms to be defined for a
variety of targets so this does not seem to be a problem. For
input, however, this means that the reader has to know how
to expand \INT{3} into the correct domain. This could be done
with a stand-alone pre-processor from selatex->inputform.

It should be possible to read-then-write an selatex formula,
or write-then-read an selatex formula with identical semantics.

That might not mean that the I/O is identical though due to
things like variable ordering, etc.

Consideration 6: Latex semantic macros

Semantic markup would be greatly simplified if selatex provided
a mechanism similar to Axiom's ability to define types "on the fly"
using either assignment


or macro form


Latex is capable of doing this and selatex should probably include
a set of pre-defined common markups, such as


Consideration 7: selatex \begin{semantic} environment?

Currently Axiom provides a 'chunk' environment which surrounds
source code. The chunks are named so they can be extracted
individually or in groups

   \begin{chunk}{a name for the chunk}

We could provide a similar environment for semantics such as

  \begin{semantics}{a name for the block}

which would provide a way to encapsulate markup and also allow
a particular block to be extracted in literate programming style.

Consideration 8: Latex-time processing

Axiom currently creates specific files using \write to create
intermediate files (e.g. for tables). This technique can be used
to enhance latex-time debugging (where did it fail?).

It can be used to create Axiom files which pre-construct domains
needed when the input file with semantic markup is read.

This would help a stand-alone selatex->inputform preprocessor.

Consideration 9: Design sketches

It is all well-and-good to hand-wave at this idea but a large
amount of this machinery already exists.

It would seem useful to develop an incremental test suite that
starts with "primitive" domains (e.g. INT), creating selatex I/O.

Once these are in place we could work on "type tower" markup

Following that might be pre-existing latex functions like \int, \sum,
\cos, etc.

To validate these ideas Axiom will include an selatex.sty file and
some unit tests files on primitive domain markup. That should be
enough to start the bikeshed discussions.

Ideas? Considerations? Suggestions?


[0] Fateman, Richard J.
"A Critique of OpenMath and Thoughts on
Encoding Mathematics, January, 2001"

[1] Fateman, Richard J.
"Verbs, Nouns, and Computer Algebra, or What's Grammar Got to
[2] Fateman, Richard J.

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