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Re: More fun with IFS

From: Thorsten Glaser
Subject: Re: More fun with IFS
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 13:31:58 +0000 (UTC)

Dan Douglas dixit:

>of any reason it should be inserting a '':'' between the two arguments, 
>especially for the ''$@'' variants, either quoted or unquoted. It certainly 
>can't be because of a word splitting step.

‘:’ is ${IFS::1} and inserted because of the word *concatenation*
(not splitting) that occurs when assigning a vector to a scalar.

>Most script writers treat assignments as identical whether quoted or not. 

We had a discussion about that on the Austin ML (when I still
managed to somewhat follow it) and specifically changed it so
shells MUST distinguish between unquoted and quoted $*/$@.

> $ mksh -c 'set one:::two three:::four; IFS=:; cat <<<$@'
> $ mksh -c 'set one:::two three:::four; IFS=:; cat <<<"$@"'

I think that is completely reasonable and correct here.

>I tend to think AT&T ksh is doing the most reasonable thing here by making the 
>concatenated result exactly the same as if expanded as arguments in a quoted 
>context, with whitespace separating them.

Why whitespace? $IFS certainly contains none. And the usual
insertion rules all specify the first character of $IFS and
specify what to do if $IFS is empty or unset (which it isn’t
in these examples).

>> In other words, “don’t do that then” (rely on this behaviour).
>I wouldn't bother with this language if the only non-random behavior was that 
>specified by POSIX. "POSIX doesn't specify it" is a horrible reason to do 

Right, “POSIX says so” oftentimes also is, after all…
which is why I tried above to argue without it.

>> I think eval is evil anyway ;-)
>Eval is frowned upon because it almost always misused. Until shells add first-
>class closures and higher-order functions I'll continue using it.

Yeah, of course, it’s the only way to do some things… I personally
usually abstract everything eval into little functions of their
own and then just use those.

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