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Re: Shell Grammar man page

From: Mike Jonkmans
Subject: Re: Shell Grammar man page
Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 17:22:49 +0100

On Fri, Feb 26, 2021 at 02:54:07AM +0100, Ángel wrote:
> On 2021-02-26 at 00:45 +0100, Mike Jonkmans wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 25, 2021 at 11:15:36PM +0100, Ángel wrote:
> > 
> > Those grammars weren't all that different from yacc's grammar.
> > Just simpler and incomplete.
> > 
> > Minimal example:
> > A Sentence can be "Pronoun Verb." or "Verb Pronoun?"
> > Pronoun can be "I" or "You" etc.
> > Verb would be "eat" or "walk".
> > 
> > Sometimes you needed to 'parse' sentences in order to spell them
> > correctly.
> TEchnically yes. A linguist will happily study that one. Also, you
> could have someone used to yacc understanding and using your simplified
> grammar. The other way around? Based on the average grammar given on
> primary school? I don't think so.

I don't think that f.i. precedence was taught. 
Although you get that with arithmetic, which also has a grammar.
Not sure if I knew that back then. I might though.

> > > I expect people somewhat familiar with grammar constructs would rather
> > > come from descriptions of commands or technical documentation if not
> > > directly from a Linguistic, Mathematics or Computer Engineering
> > > background.
> > > Plus, the need to grasp concepts of variables and recursion must not be
> > > undersestimated.
> > 
> > It is always difficult to estimate the knowledge of your (reading)
> > public.
> Heh, Sure. These are all unscientific estimations.
> > > ¹ Or English, French, German… 
> > That is secondary school stuff (for the Dutch).
> I was trying to cover people which had their primary school on
> different languages (and yes, it was a very limited, non-exhaustive 
> list)

It is exactly the list of languages the Dutch are being teached.
Apart from the optional Latin and Greek.

> > As I recall there was less to do with grammar in those foreign
> > languages.
> Interesting. I wonder if that was because their grammar are simpler or
> just because it wasn't as present in the syllabus.
I guess that, since  the basic ideas of grammar had already been taught,
it would not stand out anymore.

> I wouldn't think French grammar to be simpler than English one, for
> instance.
French grammar was the most regular, iirc.
English was the most irregular.

The really easy thing with English though, is that it doesn't have
all these male/female/neuter articles and nouns.

> Can't give an opinion on your language though, it's all Dutch to me :-)
It's Dutch to me too!

> Best
> Ángel

Regards, Mike Jonkmans

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