Re: built-in functions are missed in non-awk namespaces

[Denis Shirokov]

   "Outside the awk namespace, the names of the additional gawk built-in
> functions (such as gensub() or strftime()) may be used as component names.
> The same set of names may be used as namespace names, although this has the
> potential to be confusing."
>
> This is more than I can handle. Are you serious? You're afraid of a
> conflict with the functions and() or or()!?
>
> These are basic built-in functions that have been part of the language for
> a very long time, and you're worried that someone will declare a function
> and() differently than it's described in AWK?
>
> This is just ridiculous. I'm serious. And funny. I just can't believe it.
> Over the years of using this language, I've gotten used to all sorts of
> things and seen strange decisions, some of which I came to appreciate long
> after they appeared—I admit. But this?
>
> I just don't know what to say about this. It's a VERY strange decision :)
>
> I can explain why I'm so surprised. The thing is, namespace capabilities
> appeared relatively recently. If I'm not mistaken, they came with gawk 5+.
> So how can name conflicts arise if we're not talking about compatibility
> with some old code that users might start running on gawk 5+?
>
> Old code will run in the main namespace as it should, and if we're talking
> about new code that users wrote after the appearance of namespaces—how
> would it even occur to them to name some functions with names that have
> long been part of the language? What reason could there be to allow users
> to declare such functions in a separate namespace?
>
> Why is patsplit worse than split?
>
> Because the patsplit appeared later than split? But it appeared earlier
> than namespace capabilities—just like Typeof(). Then why don't I understand?
> thanx
> Denis
>
>
>
> пн, 29 июл. 2024 г. в 19:08, Andrew J. Schorr <
> aschorr@telemetry-investments.com>:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 29, 2024 at 11:49:16AM -0400, Andrew J. Schorr wrote:
>> > I can't readily find a list of such functions in the manual, but I
>> think this
>> > hack may work:
>>
>> Oops, I do now see a list here:
>>
>>
>> https://www.gnu.org/software/gawk/manual/html_node/POSIX_002fGNU.html#:~:text=Additional%20functions%20only,awk%20Programs
>> )
>>
>> But I fear it's missing a few.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Andy
>>
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