Re: ru_RU locale bug?

[E.Rodichev]

On 1 May 2002, Ulrich Drepper wrote:

> On Wed, 2002-05-01 at 16:22, E.Rodichev wrote:
>
> > What I'd like to suggest - to modify the locale in such a way, that does not
> > affect the us-ascii codes order. It looks like the optimum compromise
> > solution. What do you think about this way?
>
> Crap.  If you incrrectly depend on C locale behavior tell the programs
> so.  Put LC_ALL=C on the command line.  If you don't like this switch to
> using the C locale.

One more example of basic incompatibility. Let assume we have a directory

> setenv LC_COLLATE C
> /bin/ls -la
total 8
drwxr-xr-x    2 er       devel        4096 May  2 04:08 .
drwxr-xr-x    3 er       devel        4096 May  2 04:07 ..
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 .z
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 A
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 a
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 z
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 <> (cyr tse)
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 <> (cyr de)

With old-type ru_RU locale:
total 8
drwxr-xr-x    2 er       devel        4096 May  2 04:08 .
drwxr-xr-x    3 er       devel        4096 May  2 04:07 ..
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 .z
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 A
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 a
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 z
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 <> (cyr de)
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 <> (cyr tse)

With new-type ru_RU locale:
total 8
drwxr-xr-x    2 er       devel        4096 May  2 04:08 .
drwxr-xr-x    3 er       devel        4096 May  2 04:07 ..
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 a
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 A
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 z
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 .z
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 <> (cyr de)
-rw-r--r--    1 er       devel           0 May  2 04:08 <> (cyr tse)

It is clear, that it is impossible to produce the list 2 with new locale,
nor C, nor ru_RU. Hence, no way to compare, for example, file list, which
was generated under previous Linux installation, with the new one. And
LC_ALL=C can't solve this problem.

Best regards,
E.R.
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