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Re: emacs -nw hangs on redirect

From: Richard Stallman
Subject: Re: emacs -nw hangs on redirect
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 20:01:29 -0500

    Actually, if I remember correctly, there are non-GNU environments for
    Linux available too (certainly for some embedded systems, and I think
    there was even a proof-of-concept BSD flavor system with a Linux
    kernel).  But it would appear unlikely that he was using one of those.

GNU is not an "environment for Linux".  GNU is an operating system
which we began developing in 1984.  Linux is a kernel that came along
many years later and is typically used together with GNU.

It is possible to use Linux without the GNU system, but then you don't
have a Unix-like operating system, just a kernel.  That is only done
in embedded systems.

    > When you call the entire system "Linux", you give the system's
    > principal developers none of the credit.

    I would not go as far as to claim the kernel and system utility
    developers are not also principal developers of the system.  And I
    don't think that he was intending to give _anybody_ credit just by
    trying to specify his system.

I would expect he had no intentions about it one way or the other, and was
simply following the usage he had seen elsewhere.

But intentions aside, it's a fact that calling the whole system Linux
gives the credit for the whole system to someone who came along seven
years after we (the GNU Project) started it.

You pointed out that one sentence in my message was not entirely

    > And yet here you are asking us to help you out.  Please start
    > treating us right.

In that context, "us" refers to the developers of the GNU system,
which includes the developers of GNU Emacs and those of many other
GNU programs.


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