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bug#4367: 23.1; unable to view this png image


From: Xah Lee
Subject: bug#4367: 23.1; unable to view this png image
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 12:37:19 -0700

lmy ast message contain a little editorial mistake.

Xah wrote:
. For example, Visual Basic and PHP today are perhaps the most used languages if one count the pencentage of number of programers for these langs.

I meant to say, yet these people downloads FSF's emacs for Windows, and there's no php mode or visual basic mode by default. To these poeple, "emacs sucks" right there.

This clause is just meant to support my view that DLL for images should be included. I don't mean to start to argue about why php mode or visual basic mode are not included by default or any philosophy.

This is probably my last message on this particular bug report. Thanks.

Xah

----- Original Message ----- From: "Xah Lee" <address@hidden>
To: "Eli Zaretskii" <address@hidden>; <address@hidden>
Cc: <address@hidden>
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:30 PM
Subject: Re: bug#4367: 23.1; unable to view this png image


Hi Eli & other GNU Emacs developers,

perhaps this is controversial... but doesn't FSF people want GNU Emacs to be working out of the box on Windows?

it is trivial to include the dll libs for images.

The other recent bug is about ftp not working out of the box on GNU Emacs binary for Windows downloaded from FSF site, whereas Lennart's EmacsW32 distribution includes a Open source ftp binary that fixed the problem.

I feel that it would be great for all features of emacs work out of the box as much as possible for platforms that are supported by FSF.

Since FSF does develope a version of emacs that works for Windows... i don't understand if there is a reason to not include these DLLs?

The only reason i can think of is that perhaps FSF prefer emacs to be work well for GNU/Linux and does not take extra steps to make it work as well for “non-free” Windows. If this is the reason to not include image library DLLs for Windows, i feel this perhaps damaging to the spread of FSF philosophy, since many Windows people who tries emacs and just find it not working in many situations. For example, Visual Basic and PHP today are perhaps the most used languages if one count the pencentage of number of programers for these langs.

btw, I should mention this message is just meant to address this image dll issue pertaining this bug report, not meant to argue about philosophy or best approach to FSF philosophy. I feel that a binary version of Emacs for Windows downloaded from FSF's official site and not able to open image files is something like a show-stopper bug.

Thanks.

 Xah
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