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bug#4743: fundamental mode not sufficiently fundamental yet

From: Harald Dunkel
Subject: bug#4743: fundamental mode not sufficiently fundamental yet
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:27:06 +0200
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On 10/19/09 04:04, Stefan Monnier wrote:
Actually I just want to enter some text without having to care about
different modes or redefining some internal functions.

Looks like maybe you don't want Emacs.

Thats surely not the case. I am using Emacs since the early 90s.
Sometimes I just don't want any context sensitive operations.
Looking at other lines for indentation is surely something what
one would see as a special mode. It is not fundamental.

then the cursor should move to the next tab stop, which should be
every 8th column, as usual.

That's not what the TAB key does usually in Emacs.

I understand, but thats what the tab key in all the other editors
does, even in ed and good ol' Wordstar. Only emacs wants to get
special treatment.

All the Emacs clones I tried (mg, zile, jove) work this way.

It turns out that Emacs's fundamental mode used to behave in this way at
some point in the past.  But most like those "micro emacsen" do it this
way simply because they want to keep things simple.

And you disagree with Kiss?

But maybe I am too blind to see. Is there a more basic mode for Emacs
than "fundamental"?

I told you there's paragraph-indent-text-mode which may fit your bill.
Otherwise (setq-default indent-fill-function 'indent-to-left-margin) is
another way to get what you want (by reverting to the older behavior,
which is also probably the one still used in XEmacs).

The paragraph-indent-text-mode seems to be more close to what I need.
Setting the (undocumented?) indent-fill-function did not work.



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