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bug#32591: 26.1; Ido-find-file does not intuitiely support tramp


From: Joshua Branson
Subject: bug#32591: 26.1; Ido-find-file does not intuitiely support tramp
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 10:30:54 -0400

I'm using Emacs version 26.1.  I've noticed that when I try to open a
remote file via ssh with tramp and ido-find-file, ido mode doesn't seem
to know that I want to use tramp, and instead tries to create a local
file.  This bug describes two problems:

1)  Default Emacs Tramp and Ido mode have non-intuitive ways of
searching for a remote file.

M-x ido-find-file 

"Find File: ~//ssh:address@hidden"  TAB does not prompt me for a
password.  Instead I just see "[No Match]".

2)  Default Emacs Tramp and Ido mode have non-intuitive ways of opening
remote files.

M-x ido-find-file

"Find File: ~//ssh:address@hidden:/home/joshua/hello"

Sometimes opens a local file instead of opening a remote file.  I can't
reliably reproduce this behavior though.

3)  Ido grays out the initial "~/" if one starts to type out tramp
syntax, but un-greys out those characters when it shouldn't.

Type the following in ido-find-file

"Find File:  ~//ssh:address@hidden"

"~/" is greyed out.

Type a : to specify a path and watch the "~/" get un-greyed out.


You can probably stop reading this bug report now.  The following is
just a ramble of how I discovered these problems:

I have a virtual machine running at localhost port 2222.  I'm not sure
where the remote file is, but that's ok, emacs can open remote
directories with dired!  I'll just browse the remote directory! 

M-x ido-find-file

"Find File:  ~//ssh:address@hidden"  TAB

The Initial characters "~/" are greyed out.  So Emacs is recognizing
that I want to browse a remote file.  Cool. I'm expecting that Emacs
will prompt me for a password, and then offer me suggestions of
remote directories at the remote HOME directory.  This doesn't happen.

Instead I see this error:

[No match]

No problem I'll try again.  C-g C-g

I try a couple of times I get can't get in.  I receive a couple of
connection refused errors.  Ok this is silly.  I decide to connect
in via a terminal.  "ssh ssh://address@hidden:2222".  This works.

So now I'm trying to figure out what Tramp is doing wrong...

The input lines initially shows "Find File: ~/"

So I start typing via "/"

Now I see "Find file: ~//"  AND the "~/" characters are grayed out.  So
far so good.

Then I type in the rest until Emacs shows this:

"Find File: ~//ssh:address@hidden"

Again, the "~/" is greyed out, but when I typed a ":" to specify a path
to file the "~/" is not greyed out anymore and emacs thinks I'm trying
to open a local file.  If I keep typing, I'll get this:

"Find File: ~//ssh:address@hidden:/home/joshua/hello"

pressing RET, makes Emacs open a local file.  Not what I intended.

This happened a few times, but when I tried to reproduce this behavior,
Emacs opened the remote file.  If I can reproduce this behavior again,
I'll try to.

So I tried again,

"Find File: ~//ssh:address@hidden"   RET

The "~/" is greyed out.  So tramp will open the remote file right?

Wrong.  Instead I get this error:

"File not found and directory write protected."

I understand, I did not specify a path for tramp, but can't ido tell
tramp that to look into the remote HOME by default?

Thanks for listening



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