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bug#13336: [External] : Re: bug#13336: `next-frame' should not choose th
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Drew Adams |
Subject: |
bug#13336: [External] : Re: bug#13336: `next-frame' should not choose the *Backtrace* frame while debugging |
Date: |
Wed, 25 Aug 2021 20:23:44 +0000 |
> >> What would you have to "duplicate" here?
> > "the parameters of `special-display-regexps'".
> >
> > I want the *Backtrace* frame to look and act like
> > frames for other buffers whose names also match
> > that regexp.
>
> Why can't you add the `no-other-frame' parameter to that common list for
> the *Backtrace* buffer alone?
Dunno what you mean. (But it sounds like duplicating
the common list, and adding something to the copy.)
> >> Using `after-make-frame-functions' requires a
> >> certain knowledge of Elisp.
> >
> > Meaning what - what "certain knowledge"? I guess
> > you're suggesting that I lack it, so it would be
> > good to know what it is.
>
> I lack it and that's why I neither use nor recommend using
> `after-make-frame-functions'.
Well, if you lack it then certainly I do too.
Why doesn't its doc give users a heads-up in this
(unspecified) regard, if it requires special
knowledge or handling?
> > I define the frame parameters separately, with a
> > user option, `1on1-special-display-frame-alist'
> > (which others besides myself use). The setting of
> > just `special-display-regexps' is in my init file,
> > for myself alone.
> >
> > Put differently, I separate the appearance of
> > special-display frames from a criterion (in this
> > case buffer-name-matching-regexp) for which buffers
> > get special-display frames.
> >
> > That's also the purpose, presumably, of option
> > `special-display-frame-alist' (which option
> > `1on1-special-display-frame-alist' augments).
>
> And you cannot augment that alist by additional elements for specific
> buffers?
Dunno what you mean. It's just like
`special-display-frame-alist' - an alist of frame
parameters. It applies to all special-display
buffers.
> >> > I see. How would I do that? I don't control how or
> >> > when the frame gets created.
> >>
> >> Which means that you have to deal with a situation handled by
> >> `special-display-regexps' once and `display-buffer-alist' now.
> >
> > Sorry, I don't know what you're referring to.
> > Could you be specific?
>
> These options have been provided to control the display of buffers where
> the user does not "control how or when the frame gets created".
`display-buffer-alist' terrifies me. ;-)
> >> Because using `after-make-frame-functions' requires
> >> a certain knowledge of Elisp.
> >
> > See above.
> >
> > Is there some specific caveat about using this hook,
> > which is not in the Elisp manual? Nothing particular
> > is said in the manual about the hook.
> >
> > What special Elisp knowledge is required? Why the
> > vague formulation (repeated) of "a certain knowledge"?
> > It's not clear to me what you're suggesting.
>
> If you understand how frame names, explicit names and titles are set up,
> you know much more than I do.
I certainly don't know more than you. And I don't
think I've given the impression that I think I do.
Certainly haven't meant that.
> But in that case you should not have made
> the wrong assumption about the name of the *Backtrace*
> frame at the time `after-make-frame-functions' is run.
Yes, that was my bad. Even without knowing that
that was the problem I should have thought to try
code such as what you suggested.
> So what I am suggesting is that since we both
> don't know all too much about this subject, it
> might be better for us to avoid using
> `after-make-frame-functions' in code we write.
Maybe so, and thanks for the warning. So far, I
have something that seems to work, and I'm not
sure what an alternative way to handle it would
be. I don't mean to take your time in trying to
do that, but I do appreciate your advice.
- bug#13336: [External] : Re: bug#13336: `next-frame' should not choose the *Backtrace* frame while debugging, (continued)
- bug#13336: [External] : Re: bug#13336: `next-frame' should not choose the *Backtrace* frame while debugging, Drew Adams, 2021/08/23
- bug#13336: [External] : Re: bug#13336: `next-frame' should not choose the *Backtrace* frame while debugging, martin rudalics, 2021/08/23
- bug#13336: [External] : Re: bug#13336: `next-frame' should not choose the *Backtrace* frame while debugging, Drew Adams, 2021/08/23
- bug#13336: [External] : Re: bug#13336: `next-frame' should not choose the *Backtrace* frame while debugging, martin rudalics, 2021/08/24
- bug#13336: [External] : Re: bug#13336: `next-frame' should not choose the *Backtrace* frame while debugging, Drew Adams, 2021/08/24
- bug#13336: [External] : Re: bug#13336: `next-frame' should not choose the *Backtrace* frame while debugging, martin rudalics, 2021/08/24
- bug#13336: [External] : Re: bug#13336: `next-frame' should not choose the *Backtrace* frame while debugging, Drew Adams, 2021/08/24
- bug#13336: [External] : Re: bug#13336: `next-frame' should not choose the *Backtrace* frame while debugging, martin rudalics, 2021/08/25
- bug#13336: [External] : Re: bug#13336: `next-frame' should not choose the *Backtrace* frame while debugging, Drew Adams, 2021/08/25
- bug#13336: [External] : Re: bug#13336: `next-frame' should not choose the *Backtrace* frame while debugging, martin rudalics, 2021/08/25
- bug#13336: [External] : Re: bug#13336: `next-frame' should not choose the *Backtrace* frame while debugging,
Drew Adams <=
- bug#13336: [External] : Re: bug#13336: `next-frame' should not choose the *Backtrace* frame while debugging, martin rudalics, 2021/08/26