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bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection
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Michael Albinus |
Subject: |
bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection |
Date: |
Fri, 14 Jan 2022 15:26:18 +0100 |
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Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) |
"Jay Berkenbilt" <ejb@ql.org> writes:
Hi Jay,
> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022, at 9:02 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> > Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 08:11:34 -0500
>> > From: "Jay Berkenbilt" <ejb@ql.org>
>> > Cc: 53207@debbugs.gnu.org
>> >
>> > For my edification, can you explain how the 27.2 behavior of noticing
>> > when a file's contents had changed immediately is not adequate without
>> > lockfiles?
>>
>> First, Emacs 27 wasn't looking at the file's contents, it was looking
>> at the file's modification time.
>
> My original recipe for reproducing the issue demonstrated that, after
> "touch file", you can continue editing freely and save, but after
> changing the contents, you can't. I don't remember when this first
> changed, maybe emacs 27 or 26. For ages before that, it was
> modification time. I remember noticing when updating the modtime
> without changing the content stopped triggering that. I was delighted.
>
> It is definitely the case that just updating the modification time on
> emacs 27.2 does not trigger this. You can try it. In emacs -Q, edit a
> file and save. From the shell, touch the file. No continue editing the
> file and save again. No warning. At least this is the case on my
> Ubuntu Linux 20.04 system with emacs compiled from source.
Same here. In lock_file of Emacs 27, there is the check
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
if (!NILP (subject_buf)
&& NILP (Fverify_visited_file_modtime (subject_buf))
&& !NILP (Ffile_exists_p (fn)))
call1 (intern ("userlock--ask-user-about-supersession-threat"), fn);
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
It checks the file modification time. But then, if changed, it calls
userlock--ask-user-about-supersession-threat, which also checks the file
contents before warning. Therefore, a simple touch doesn't trigger the
user question.
>> > It seems to me that there are two separate issues here. A lock file
>> > would enable you to immediately notice if a user on a *different
>> > system* is in the process of editing a file and has unsaved changes.
>>
>> No, it also works when the same user on the same system edited the
>> file from another Emacs session. That is a valid use case: some
>> people start more than a single Emacs session on the same system.
>
> Granted. Of course it doesn't protect against another very common use
> case, which is people opening the same file in emacs and
> simultaneously in something like VS Code or another IDE. I know
> developers that work this way day in and day out -- they use emacs for
> most of their editing but hop over to an IDE to take advantage of
> project-wide integrations, better test integration, a more advanced
> debugger, or better out-of-the-box functionality with their
> programming language or environment of choice. So lock files remain a
> solution that only works in an emacs-only environment, while noticing
> that the file's modification time has changed is universal, and
> noticing that a file's content has changed is a great advancement over
> just noticing modtime since it allows for workflows like git rebase.
>
>> > On the other hand, the other behavior I'm talking about allows you to
>> > notice immediately when you begin editing if the file on disk has
>> > become out of sync with the buffer contents.
>>
>> That part is done when you save the buffer. It is unaffected by
>> create-lockfiles.
>
> It is also done when you start editing a buffer, as shown in my original
> message. Really. Try it.
Sure. That's because there's no visited file modification time yet for
that buffer.
In Emacs 28, the check above has been extended to
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
if (!NILP (subject_buf)
&& NILP (Fverify_visited_file_modtime (subject_buf))
&& !NILP (Ffile_exists_p (fn))
&& current_lock_owner (NULL, lfname) != I_OWN_IT)
call1 (intern ("userlock--ask-user-about-supersession-threat"), fn);
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
So it checks also the owner of the lock file. This makes only sense, if
create-lockfiles is non-nil; otherwise there is no lock file owner ...
I agree with Eli, that the current behavior in Emacs 28 is
consistent. Since this is an incompatible change, we shall document
it. The Emacs 28 manual says
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
You can prevent the creation of lock files by setting the variable
‘create-lockfiles’ to ‘nil’. *Caution:* by doing so you will lose the
benefits that this feature provides.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
Maybe it shall be more explicit saying, that also detection of changing
the modification time is lost when create-lockfiles is nil.
etc/NEWS is silent about this, it should explain this subtle change as well.
Best regards, Michael.
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, (continued)
bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Glenn Morris, 2022/01/12
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Philipp Stephani, 2022/01/12
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Eli Zaretskii, 2022/01/13
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Jay Berkenbilt, 2022/01/13
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Philipp Stephani, 2022/01/13
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Eli Zaretskii, 2022/01/13
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Jay Berkenbilt, 2022/01/13
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection,
Michael Albinus <=
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Eli Zaretskii, 2022/01/14
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Glenn Morris, 2022/01/14
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Eli Zaretskii, 2022/01/14
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2022/01/15
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2022/01/15
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Eli Zaretskii, 2022/01/15
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Eli Zaretskii, 2022/01/27
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Lars Ingebrigtsen, 2022/01/28
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Eli Zaretskii, 2022/01/28
- bug#53207: 28.0.91; create-lockfiles nil breaks file change detection, Michael Albinus, 2022/01/28