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bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name
From: |
Daniel Mendler |
Subject: |
bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name |
Date: |
Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:45:11 +0100 |
On 3/10/23 13:35, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:00:34 +0100
>> Cc: philipk@posteo.net, michael_heerdegen@web.de, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
>> 62009@debbugs.gnu.org, Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>,
>> Augusto Stoffel <arstoffel@gmail.com>
>> From: Daniel Mendler <mail@daniel-mendler.de>
>>
>> On 3/10/23 12:50, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>> Why bother? Emacs is not in the business of preventing Lisp
>>> programmers from shooting themselves in the foot, certainly not when
>>> that incurs runtime overhead, even a small one.
>>
>> Of course Elisp is in the business of preventing programmers from
>> shooting themselves in the foot, otherwise we would extend Emacs in C.
>
> We disagree here, and this is a very fundamental disagreement, which
> basically means continuing this argument is pointless, since we have
> no common basis.
I don't see that the disagreement is that strong. For example aset
signals an error if you try to access elements out of bounds.
(aset "abc" 3 ?x) -> args-out-of-range
So there are clearly use cases where signaling an error is justified. In
other cases you claim signaling an error is unjustified and a crash is
better. I don't like the crashing. That's the whole disagreement. I
suspect that you also don't like if Emacs crashes. Maybe it doesn't
bother you in this case, but in others.
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, (continued)
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Michael Heerdegen, 2023/03/07
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Daniel Mendler, 2023/03/07
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/03/07
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Philip Kaludercic, 2023/03/09
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/03/10
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Augusto Stoffel, 2023/03/10
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Augusto Stoffel, 2023/03/10
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/03/10
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Daniel Mendler, 2023/03/10
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/03/10
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name,
Daniel Mendler <=
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/03/10
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Daniel Mendler, 2023/03/10
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/03/10
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Gregory Heytings, 2023/03/11
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/03/11
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Gregory Heytings, 2023/03/18
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/03/19
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Gregory Heytings, 2023/03/19
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Eli Zaretskii, 2023/03/10
- bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name, Gregory Heytings, 2023/03/10