Re: [Bug-gnubg] Feature Request: Differential reporting of rollout results

[Myshkin LeVine]

Hello All,
          I disagree with Ian about both the condensation of rollout  
results and about the removal of the Mersenne Twister reference.
	  About repeated rollout settings: I personally do not find it  
tedious to have to do a little bit of scrolling to get through  
rollout reports. Having the settings listed for each roll leaves no  
room for doubt as to what they are. If someone not familiar with  
GnuBG rollouts reads the report or if it is read at a future time the  
settings used will still be clearly understood.
	  About the removal of the Mersenne Twister reference which is  
really two issues: 1. Ian seems to be suggesting (He can correct me  
if I misunderstood him) that all of the random number generators  
other than the Mersenne Twister RNG should be removed from GnuBG. I  
think that since the different generators are already in place they  
should be left alone. Having a selection to choose from cannot be a  
bad thing. Sure, it seems that almost all rollouts seem to be run  
using the Mersenne Twister RNG. The reason most rollouts with GnuBG  
use the Mersenne Twister generator could be because that is the  
default choice and no one changes it. If the present code does not  
require a high level of maintenance if should be kept. The most  
recent change appears to be three months ago to the MD5 generator and  
longer for the others. 2. Obviously if there is a choice of  
generators, rollouts must state which of them is being used. However,  
even if the Mersenne Twister generator is the only one available it  
would still be a mistake to remove the reference to it in rollout  
reports. Removing the reference includes removing the statement of  
the seed used because only stating the seed would lead to confusion  
as to what the RNG was. If I understand correctly, the seed is stated  
so that if there is doubt about the results the rollout can be re- 
created using the same seed. You have to know what the generator is  
for the seed to be meaningful. Even for the sake of completeness it  
is important to state all of the rollout parameters.
          That's just my two cents on the matter. Take care,
                                                           Myshkin




On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 6:39 PM, Ian Shaw<address@hidden>  
wrote:

> I would like to see a more space-efficient report of rollout results.
> Currently, when you see web pages with gnubg rollout results included
> (typically gamnonu or bgonline), an awful lot of space is taken up  
> with
> repeated rollout settings. This entails a lot of scrolling and  
> makes it
> difficult to read the actual results.
>
> I suggest only printing a parameter when it differs from the next  
> trial
> DOWN the list, or is the last one on the list.

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> In fact, I wouldn't be sad to see the Mersenne Twister reference
> disappear. I've never seen anyone post a rollout using anything  
> else. In
> the early days of gnubg, having lots of RNG's was a good idea in the
> interest of transparency. Nowadays, no serious user (one likely to  
> read
> a rollout) doubts that gnubg is honest, so there is not really a  
> need to
> provide the choice.