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Re: [Bug-gnubg] Re: How fast can you cheat??


From: Timothy Y. Chow
Subject: Re: [Bug-gnubg] Re: How fast can you cheat??
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 11:08:18 -0400 (EDT)

"Roy A. Crabtree" <address@hidden> wrote:
> What I am denoting is that the NNP "learns" the attributes of the 
> specific roll generator you use.  And does it probably better than a 
> human can.

This is interesting.  The Mersenne Twister is linear, so in principle it 
is "easy" to learn how to predict it.  Whether a neural net will in fact 
learn how to predict it depends on a lot of things, but it's entirely 
believable.

In addition to the possibility of using physically random bits, one could 
also try using a cryptographically secure random number generator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographically_secure_pseudorandom_number_generator

It would be interesting to see if training the neural nets with different 
random number generators produces noticeably different results.

Tim




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