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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] I am really getting sick of this. Goodbye


From: Philipp Schaefermeier
Subject: Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] I am really getting sick of this. Goodbye
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:57:57 +0100
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Absolutely right. Everyone should calm down and look at the common greater good. Thank you for your appreciative words.

Oh, and to everyone who helped to develop Icecat and other open source software: THANK YOU, YOU PEOPLE ARE AWESOME.



Am 20.03.17 um 16:13 schrieb address@hidden:
Until now I've resisted on commenting on this little Icecat family fall-out between some of the family members  :-)

I can see some reason in all the points being made from all parties - some perhaps more plausible/evidential/or whatever, than others.

For my two-penneth single point gut-feeling view (not just for Icecat either), I would not expect to see community contributed open-source  etc effort to develop/build for platforms and so forth where commercial gain/interest is involved (usually for a minority few too). I would expect it to be low on priority if it was part of any work, unless there was some mandated, agreed and valuable reason to.  Yes I know, sometimes it helps to do so, but I'm not sure in this case.

I really appreciate all the clever people who work on Linux and open-source, community inspired and driven software efforts (and in other projects too) and make those available for use  - I'd be in a worse place without them and I cannot thank all those people enough...it warms the heart to see people coming together to achieve things in this manner.

Thank you.
Habs





On 20 March 2017 at 02:22, Ian Dunn <address@hidden> wrote:

I see what you're saying, awakeyet.  From a certain perspective, you make perfect sense.  Attempting to bog down the maintainer of a project like GNU IceCat to try and take it down is something I could see a competitor doing.  I won't argue that there are rotten people that do pull shady, petty tactics like that to get rid of the competition.

But there are also good people.  People like Daniel, that only wanted to see support for his OS.  He wants to use GNU IceCat, but he got attacked by people that laughed him out for not using GNU/Linux.  There could be 100 reasons he can't or won't switch, and we should respect that.  If we don't show our users respect, but instead assume that perfectly honest people are trying to troll or attack us, then we're going to lose people.  Not everyone is out to get someone else, although I know it can feel that way sometimes.

Everyone remember: We're all here because we want to see GNU IceCat succeed.  I've been watching the development for years.  I've seen two maintainers try and fail to keep up with Mozilla's development cycle, and now a third is struggling to keep up.  That's why it's up to us to be supportive, not just of him, but of each other.

I know it's easy to label awakeyet as a conspiracy theorist and move on without understanding his perspective, but we should all keep in mind that he might be right.  And awakeyet, you need to be willing to accept that you might be wrong.  I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong here, but this argument is going to piss people off, and anger will only make it worse.

GNU IceCat is struggling enough without us all squabbling amongst each other.  Let's end this now before things get any worse, and get back to supporting the browser we all love.

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