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Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] GNU LibreJS won't be removed from GNU IceCat

From: bill-auger
Subject: Re: [Bug-gnuzilla] GNU LibreJS won't be removed from GNU IceCat
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 01:16:18 -0500
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On 03/07/2018 02:14 PM, Stephan Kreutzer wrote:
> not for mostly static documents at all, because what do you have for the 
> latter? Headers, paragraphs, lists and only the most primitive type of link, 
> that's basically it?

the combination of headers, paragraphs, lists, tables, and inline spans
and images are adequate to present anything that can reasonably be
considered to be "document" or convey any meaningful information -
anything more complex like 3D animations, audio, and video were never
considered to be documents - all these things existed before HTML5 but
they always required external applications to play them - IMHO they
still should be

surely, doctype is a great idea however unappreciated; but the main
problem that HTML5 introduced was its deprecation of well-formed XML -
XHTML is itself, fully capable of supporting any new features by way of
new tags; and browsers have always silently ignored unknown tags - HTML5
only re-instated the very chaos that XHTML was designed to control -
with well-formed XML, any client can easily parse the information and
chose to present it in any locally chosen form; and of course ignore any
or all tags, semantic or not, as long as <body> is present

with the mess the web is in now, developers are encouraged to tailor
their presentation for the moving target of "living spec" quirks a small
set of bloated clients rather than just sending information in a sane
and predictable form and allowing the client to consume it however they

i say all that to point out that javascript plays little role in any of
the issues that Stephan indicates - they are good points but the issues
that javascript raises are mostly in addition to these presentation
issues - and also to agree that the HTML spec can not possibly be any
remedy to the issue of scripts; but it is because HTML has nothing to do
with scripting - the only thing the HTML spec could do would be to
obsolete the 'script' tag; but as HTML is so amorphous today, that would
not stop any of the browsers from implementing it anyways - even if
javascript was outlawed, maybe someone would invent the <python> tag next

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