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Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] The Hurd strikes again

From: Thomas Schwinge
Subject: Re: [gnu-prog-discuss] The Hurd strikes again
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 15:22:47 +0100
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[Moving this discussion to the bug-hurd list; gnu-prog-discuss is BCCed.]

On Sat, 5 Jan 2013 17:58:49 +0000, "luke.leighton" <luke.leighton@gmail.com> 
> On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 5:19 PM, Jason Self <jself@gnu.org> wrote:
> >> > That’s not completely true: it /is/ usable, runs 80% of the packages in
> >> > Debian, has a modern libc and tool chain, Xorg, GNOME, etc.
> >>
> >>  really?? that's absolutely awesome.  i gotta try it.
> >
> > Phoronix wrote an article [0] about it around 1.5 years ago. Hardware
> > compatibility aside, the results were rather good. I can only imagine
> > that things have improved since then.
>  i'm about to find out - am going through the qemu debian hurd i386
> install now.  if i can get [0] wine, firefox, fvwm2 and grub2 with
> uefi [1] and as long as i can get wifi running [2] i'll drop linux
> instantly.

> [0] or compile, with dpkg-buildpackage
> [1] yeah i inherited a mac and instantly trashed macosx on it but it
> has uefi as the bios so i'm stuck with that
> [2] a lightning strike took out the gigabit ethernet port.  no, really!

Wine: not yet available.
<http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/open_issues/wine.html>.  Could be fun
to get working.

Firefox: should work.  There have once been issues with https transport;
no idea whether that has been resolved, but I have a hard time thinking
of a real show-stopper there.  Note that I, mostly working on the
toolchain and related stuff, have not run X and a desktop environment on
GNU/Hurd in a long time.

FVWM2: should work.

GRUB 2: works.

UEFI/Mac hardware: no idea if anyone ever has tried that.  Most of us
either use virtual machines (KVM/QEMU, VirtualBox, Xen domU) or our
elderly 32-bit x86 CPU-based hardware with IDE HDD connectivity.  If
especially the latter two are satisfied with your hardware, it should "at
most" be some GNU Mach hacking required to get it running, and we can try
to assist with that.

WiFi: limited support is available (no firmware loading implemented, for
example), and only PCMCIA as far as I know (see the end of
<http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/gnumach-doc/Configuration.html>), which
has years ago been imported from version 3.2.8 of the pcmcia-cs package.
I think Stefan Siegl (the guy who did that project) has been able to use
his Orinoco card.  I don't think anyone already has tried getting WiFi
drivers working in the more current (Linux 2.6-based) DDE network device
driver enviroment.


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