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Re: SeparationItem #'padding not working anymore?

From: Trevor Daniels
Subject: Re: SeparationItem #'padding not working anymore?
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2009 20:19:40 -0000

Jonathan Kulp wrote Friday, January 30, 2009 6:21 PM
Graham Percival wrote:
Jonathan, this is your job now.  Please either update the docs, or
bug the relevant people for more info so that you can update the

Ok Graham. I've been trying for 20 minutes and can't figure how to use PaperColumn to change spacing, though. Joe, could you send me a snippet that shows how to use this?

Me neither.  The only thing that seems to affect
note spacing is to override the X-extent of the Stem,
as suggested by Kieren.  (Other than messy tricks like
hidden text, slurs, etc. with modified lengths.)

I did find what appears to be a typo at the end of NR 6.8 "Difficult Tweaks":

"Note, however, that \override, applied to NoteMusicalPaperColumn and PaperColumn, still works as expected within \context blocks."

Should this read "NonMusicalPaperColumn" instead of "NoteMusicalPaperColumn"? I don't see the latter in the list of all graphical objects. If this is the case then I'll make a patch to fix the typo and send it to Carl.

I'm sure you're right.  Please fix this now, although much
of NR 6 is yet to be rewritten.



On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 05:28:04PM -0000, Trevor Daniels wrote:

This was changed by committish
3d90d1d4096a6fae5826445cd66e95d25de2110a by
Joe Neeman on 29 Jun 2007.  The commit message

"use PaperColumns instead of SeparationItems".

It was part of a massive set of changes to the
spacing engine by Joe.

As you say, it looks like a doc change is needed.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Mats Bengtsson" <address@hidden>
To: "Lilypond bug" <address@hidden>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2009 3:31 PM
Subject: SeparationItem #'padding not working anymore?

What happened to the SeparationItem #'padding property? The following setting used to give a large gap in version 2.10, but has no impact at all in 2.12.

\relative c'{c d e \once \override Score.SeparationItem #'padding = #30 f }

If there's a good reason that it doesn't work anymore, the corresponding description in "Known issues and warnings" of http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond/Horizontal-spacing-overview#Horizontal-spacing-overview
should be corrected.


Jonathan Kulp

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