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Re: 2.15.15 doesn't build on Mageia

From: Julien Rioux
Subject: Re: 2.15.15 doesn't build on Mageia
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 19:42:23 +0100
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On 02/11/2011 5:08 PM, David Kastrup wrote:
If you read all of the text I wrote above, you'll not find _any_
postulate.  I am providing information and impressions from my own
experience and knowledge in order to help the original poster have a
better idea how to figure out what is wrong.  I am not stating a
diagnosis, just likely relevant information.

The way in which you wrote it, it did sound like a diagnosis to me at first read.

Your stance is that he is not going to figure out anything anyway, and
that he should provide more information to people having more of a clue.

Not at all, I provided information from what I know, and stopped when I could not provide any more valid information given the input. I got somewhat interested in the problem, but I'm not affected by it, so I am just helping someone else out. I would also like to know if the information I provided holds the road.

I don't like that approach.  I am not selling my educated guess as
anything other than it is, so I don't see the point in you complaining
about me giving it.

I have no problem reading your message again and taking it as an educated guess, but upon the initial reading it did sound a lot like a diagnosis, even though there is probably not enough supporting evidence.

So, what should someone do with the information you posted? Either the poster knows this information by himself already, in which case he also knows how to check this possibility and maybe even fix it, but then you wouldn't need to post it, right? Or he didn't know about parallel make and how it works, in which case, what? I think a few hints on how to verify that what you say is the actual cause of what is happening would be welcome.

Since you replied to me instead of the original poster, this adds confusion to the whole interpretation. I know all the information that you provided about parallel make, but I do not necessarily come to the same guess as to what the problem really is. Rather, I have a few guesses, including this one.

The point of my reply was simply that this is only one possible educated guess, among other possible educated guesses. I don't think that was apparent from your message.

One should be careful not to take such guesses as postulates, as it seems I did. I don't think we want someone (the poster, or a good samaritan willing to spend some of their free time happily fixing things up in the lilypond build system) to spend time tracking down an evil make rule with side effects that removes a file midway through the build when, heck, we don't even know, for one, if the file was ever created in the first place. Imagine that, that's a lot of wasted time. Much better would be to establish the cause first. That's all.


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