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Re: bookparts with paper blocks

From: Federico Bruni
Subject: Re: bookparts with paper blocks
Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 18:48:35 +0200

Hi Francisco

I don't want this request to be forgotten.
Do you have time to make a minimal example which can help the developers to
see exactly what the problem is?

2013/5/12 Federico Bruni <address@hidden>

> Hi Francisco
> sorry for the late reply
> I want to add it to the tracker but I'd like to have some more information
> 2013/5/1 Francisco Vila <address@hidden>
>> 2013/5/1 Federico Bruni <address@hidden>:
>> > 2013/4/30 Francisco Vila <address@hidden>
>> >>
>> >> Hello.
>> >>
>> >> In "File structure" we are saying that bookparts can help on having
>> >> different paper settings for each part, but in fact this conflicts
>> >> with the statement we state (in the same page) that paper settings act
>> >> on the whole book.
>> >>
>> >> This is confusing, do you agree?
>> >>
>> >
>> > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/file-structure
>> >
>> > I don't think it's really confusing, but it may be better explained with
>> > examples.
>> > I think that we may add a paper block and an explanation in the last
>> snippet
>> > of this page:
>> >
>> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/multiple-scores-in-a-book
>> >
>> > BTW, Trevor recently pushed this:
>> > https://code.google.com/p/lilypond/issues/detail?id=2902
>> >
>> > see NR 4.1.1:
>> >
>> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.17/Documentation/notation/the-_005cpaper-block
>> What I read all around is that settings are merged. The interesting
>> bit is a hierarchical prevalence. But a simple experiment which I'm
>> sure many users have tried, is to set a variable in a paper block in a
>> bookpart, and see how this variable affects the whole book. Any
>> example from us should show that you can not expect this setting
>> affects only to that bookpart unless you have a setting in a higher
>> hierarchy that acts as a default for the rest of the book.
> I don't understand the last sentence. Do you have an example?
> In the simple example attached, the hierarchical prevalence works fine.
>> >> I've also seen many unanswered questions in the list archives about
>> >> using bookparts to join scores. IMO it is confusing that we don't
>> >> offer a template or something warning that you can not simply include
>> >> a working score in a bookpart, and instead you have to handle a
>> >> bookpart as if it were a score block.
>> >
>> >
>> > I can't understand your last sentence.
>> Handle a bookpart as if it were a score block, in the sense of you can
>> not put assignments on it. What one expects is to have a working file
>> with both variable assignments and a \score{}, and simply put it
>> inside of a bookpart{}, which can not be done just as you can not put
>> assignments into the \score{}. I think it is common that users want to
>> join scores in a book and first thing they try involves leaving their
>> original files untouched. This is not possible: you have to split
>> every file in two, and include them in different places of the master
>> file, namely assignments outside of the bookpart and scores inside of.
> minimal example please
> these things are tricky...

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