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Re: Skipping syllables / LyricExtender

From: Michael Käppler
Subject: Re: Skipping syllables / LyricExtender
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2024 10:38:37 +0100
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Thanks a lot! So this is clearly a documentation issue.

Am 04.01.2024 um 10:34 schrieb Paul Hodges:
This came up in the user list just a month ago, when I asked about the
use of _ instead of \skip1 causing a lyric to be misaligned because it
started a melisma.  By chance I found the only (?) documented
reference to "", which solved my problem with a less ugly notation
than \skip1!  It seems that \skip1, _, and "" all have subtle
differences which the documentation doesn't make sufficiently clear...

Below is the mail that summarised these findings.


*From: *Michael Werner <reznaeous@gmail.com>
*To: *Paul Hodges <pwh@cassland.org>
*Cc: *<lilypond-user@gnu.org>
*Sent: *04/12/2023 12:37
*Subject: *Re: Centering a word before a gap in the lyrics

    Hi Paul,

    On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 6:56 AM Paul Hodges <pwh@cassland.org
    <mailto:pwh@cassland.org>> wrote:

        I don't know where in the documentation the difference in
        behaviour between \skip1 and "" as opposed to _ is explained.

    It isn't much of an explanation, but in
    is the line Note: do not use an underscore, |_|, to skip notes –
    an underscore indicates a melisma, causing the preceding syllable
    to be left-aligned.
    A bit terse, to be sure. But mentioning an alignment issue I've
    always stayed with using \skip to skip over a note, and only used
    _ when it really was a melisma not explicitly notated in the music
    (such as a tie or a slur).

        But the opportunity is missed on these pages, the first of
        which actually conflates the "" and _ notation:


    This was the first time I'd seen the use of "" for something like
    this. I'll have to keep it in mind. And looking at those two
    snippet pages you linked they make it seem like all three options
    are equivalent. Yet in the NR page I linked it says they are

    Well, I guess the important bit is you found something that does
    what you need, and does it in a way that you're okay with.

*From: * Michael Käppler <xmichael-k@web.de>
*To: * Paul Hodges <pwh@cassland.org>, "bug-lilypond@gnu.org"
*Sent: * 04/01/2024 9:07
*Subject: * Re: Skipping syllables / LyricExtender

    Thanks, Paul, but is this mentioned somewhere in the docs?
    AFAICS, they recommend using \skip everywhere for skipping notes.

    "" is shorter and more logical, since, unlike `\skip (dur)` it
    does not request the duration argument, which
    is ignored in Lyrics, anyway.


    Am 04.01.2024 um 00:12 schrieb Paul Hodges:
    Replace the \skip 4 with "", as in:

    \version "2.25.0"

    { c' (d') e' f' }
    \addlyrics { foo __ "" bar }


    *From: * Michael Käppler via bug-lilypond <bug-lilypond@gnu.org>

        Hi all,
        please consider the following example:

        \version "2.25.0"

        { c' (d') e' f' }
        \addlyrics { foo __ \skip 4 bar }

        The \skip command does not terminate the extender line. This
        is at least


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