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Fosdem discussions (Was: Importing GNU Classpath 0.20)

From: Mark Wielaard
Subject: Fosdem discussions (Was: Importing GNU Classpath 0.20)
Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2006 12:21:16 +0100

Hi (CC classpath list),

In response to the importing of 0.20 into GCC, Tom, Jeroen and I had the
following small exchange:

On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 08:26 +0100, Jeroen Frijters wrote:
> Mark Wielaard wrote:
> > On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 09:32 -0700, Tom Tromey wrote:
> > > >>>>> "Mark" == Mark Wielaard <address@hidden> writes:
> > > 
> > > Mark> But libgcj doesn't have a proper VMStackWalker class
> > > Mark> so we cannot use those (this seems the thing that leads
> > > Mark> to most of the libgcj/classpath divergence btw).
> > > 
> > > Yeah... a while back Jeroen and I talked briefly about this, but we
> > > forgot to get back to it.
> > 
> > I wish I could help here, but my own suggestion of having a class
> > parameter for VMStackWalker.getCallingX() was rejected and I 
> > don't know of an easy and reliable way to implement it without that.
> Maybe we will be able to work something out during Fosdem?

This is one of the topics that I would like to discuss during the last
part of our Fosdem meeting (Feb 25/26, Brussels):

        Sunday from 14:00 to 17:30 - "The Future"
        Interactive technical hacker discussions on how to integrate the
        projects more and move forward in the next year. 
        State of the world, beyond japi Mark Wielaard, GNU Classpath
        After a short overview of the various free stacks, libraries,
        compilers, tools and runtimes this session is mostly open
        discussion about what work remains to be done and how to
        integrate the various efforts better. Ideas for work items

The extra "work items" I have now are:

- Who is working on what?
  Quick round where everybody tells what their personal, group,
  organization/company work items are for the immediate and long
  term future/next year.
- Deployment: distribution and packaging for GNU/Linux distros.
  Fedora just went through a round of, what looked from the outside a
  bit painful, process of deploying lots of new packages based on GNU
  Classpath and gcj for FC5. Debian is currently adding a lot of
  packages (moving from contrib to main). Since both Debian and Fedora
  hackers are attending it would be good to exchange success and failure
  stories. Where can we as "upstream" help making deployment easier?
- VM integration and interfacing.
  There have been a couple of additions and changes this year
  (net/socket, instrumentation) and cleanups like the VMStackWalker.
  Also kaffe has moved much more closer to using GNU Classpath out of
  the box. But both gcj and kaffe still maintain divergences. I will go
  over the vm integration guide (and make sure it is up to date) and ask
  whether or not what we currently have makes sense.

Ideas for more things to discuss are of course welcome. As are
spontaneous monologues on what people think is important to concentrate
on for the next year.



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