Re: [Denemo-devel] Paste again

[Richard Shann]

There is a structural problem with the d-Paste script. It invokes
d-GoToMeasureEnd which may not exist. To do this correctly you must
define the functionality you want in init.scm in the directory that
holds d-Paste.
This would be something like
(define Paste::GoToMeasureEnd ....)
And then invoke that function.

If you think users might find it useful to have a GoToMeasureEnd
command, then this would be a short script simply invoking
Paste::GoToMeasureEnd.

There would be other possible placements for the components (the most
general things go in denemo.scm; and then there is the story about
invoking things like Paste::GoToMeasure end from scripts not in the same
dir as Paste (ensuring that the init.scm has been run). But the bottom
line is that ***you must not invoke other user commands***, as the user
is entitled to delete them.

Richard



On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 18:44 +0200, Nils Gey wrote:
> All the wishes and corrections should be in git now. Please check if paste 
> does not behave like you expect it to do.
> 
> Nils
> 
> 
> On Sat, 22 May 2010 17:39:46 +0200
> Nils Gey <address@hidden> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, 22 May 2010 15:58:51 +0100
> > Richard Shann <address@hidden> wrote:
> > 
> > > Ok, after a make install step the paste is functional. (Sorry about my
> > > confusing messages).
> > > I have not tested the new Paste much, but I notice that when pasting a
> > > single note or short group into a sequence of empty measures the cursor
> > > goes on to the next measure each time, even though the one being pasted
> > > into is not full. 
> > 
> > This was an easy fix, already in git.
> > Strange: This additional step to the right was needed in the old version 
> > (even in the first scripted paste, you may remember that you have added it 
> > on my request).
> > I don't know what has changed that does the step to the right now, but 
> > something has.The cursor now stays exactly one "step" right after the last 
> > pasted object, making mass-pasting possible again.
> > 
> > 
> > > Still, I think it would be much better if it allowed repeated pasting
> > > into empty measures. A staff full of empty measures is what you get when
> > > you have transcribed one part and are working on a second part.
> > > Another - very similar point. Pasting at the end of a measure does not
> > > create a new measure, which I would expect it to. I think of Pasting as
> > > the same as typing in the things that are on the clipboard one after the
> > > other into denemo.
> > 
> > I'm going to integrate this now. There are pros and contras for that, but 
> > lets see if I can write something that does exactly what is needed but does 
> > not dis-arrange errors in other situations.
> > 
> > > Oh dear! I hope I don't sound to negative. Paste is such a nightmare.
> > > Richard
> > 
> > Not at all. The cursor-jumping was a silly thing, I have no idea why its 
> > suddenly not needed anymore. The remaining issue is a design decision (I 
> > have just agreed on with you).
> > The nightmare begins once I'm done and begin to send bugreports that can 
> > only be solved in C :)
> > 
> > Nils
> > 
> > > 
> > > On Sat, 2010-05-22 at 15:34 +0100, Richard Shann wrote:
> > > > Oh, I see, it is a new file in denemo. That could be a problem as
> > > > normally everything can be eclipsed or supplemented locally
> > > > (in .denemo/actions). hmmm
> > > > But clearly, denemo.scm is getting very big.
> > > > Richard
> > > > 
> > > > On Sat, 2010-05-22 at 15:29 +0100, Richard Shann wrote:
> > > > > (load "ans-7.scm")
> > > > > barfs on my installation. It is in the new denemo.scm
> > > > > the message is
> > > > > (open-file ~A: ~S (No such file or directory ans-7.scm) (2))
> > > > > this is executing the new denemo.scm in the scheme window - I haven't
> > > > > tried installing it yet - that would normally then crash the startup.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Richard
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sat, 2010-05-22 at 14:39 +0200, Nils Gey wrote:
> > > > > > Hello, 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I checked in a better Paste variant. 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ; Multistaff-Pasting always adds the complete part AFTER the 
> > > > > > current measure. It will never paste into an existing measure, not 
> > > > > > even in empty ones.   [<-- this is a possible enhancement, but it 
> > > > > > needs a way to check if there is an empty measure in all staffs. 
> > > > > > Just thought of that...]
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ; Singlestaff-Pasting happens at the cursor position. If there are 
> > > > > > still notes in the current measure, after the cursor position, 
> > > > > > those will be shoved to the right and placed after the pasted 
> > > > > > section, no matter if the result produce underful or overful 
> > > > > > measures. No other measure gets modified other than the current 
> > > > > > one. Singlestaff-Pasting will fill any empty measure on its way, 
> > > > > > until a non-empty one is encountered.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I think this is a candidate that can be used. If you want, try to 
> > > > > > create a few absurd usecases and look how Paste reacts to them.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Also please test if paste now behaves like you would expect it to 
> > > > > > do (and what are your expectations? Sibelius, Emacs or Vim, Other 
> > > > > > Texteditors, Photoshop?)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Also, there are four scripts that use (d-Paste)
> > > > > > ./actions/menus/ObjectMenu/MeasureMenu/AddDuplicateMeasure
> > > > > > ./actions/menus/ObjectMenu/MeasureMenu/DeleteBarline
> > > > > > ./actions/menus/ObjectMenu/MeasureMenu/SplitMeasure
> > > > > > ./actions/menus/ObjectMenu/MeasureMenu/ReBar (OLD VERSION!)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Is (d-Paste) the trigger for the built-in variant or for the 
> > > > > > script?  If its for the script:
> > > > > > (d-SplitMeasure) makes use of (d-Paste), but paste also uses 
> > > > > > (d-SplitMeasure). I don't know what that recursion means, but it 
> > > > > > seems to work.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I hope that improves Denemo,
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Nils 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
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